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djchameleon 08-17-2017 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1865407)


Is violence the answer for the women too?

Men women and children can catch these hands. Will even dropkick some babies.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1865406)
Very very very very very very very very very to the 100000th power dangerous precedent you set with that philosophy.

The wheels have already been set in motion through their past action and calls for genocide.

Frownland 08-17-2017 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1865408)
The wheels have already been set in motion through their past action and calls for genocide.

"The Nazis are already doing it, so why shouldn't we?" Maybe don't aspire to Nazi values?

Political violence is a disservice to your own philosophy since it dilutes your message and only creates more passionate opponents.

Cuthbert 08-17-2017 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1865408)
Men women and children can catch these hands. Will even dropkick some babies.

lol made me laugh tbh.

djchameleon 08-17-2017 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1865409)
"The Nazis are already doing it, so why shouldn't we?" I don't aspire to Nazi values, that's for sure. Do as you do though.

Political violence is a disservice to your own philosophy since it dilutes your message and only creates more passionate opponents.

So what would be your solution? Ignoring wouldn't stop the path that they are already on. It is just something that would look good for those that choose not to engage.

Frownland 08-17-2017 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1865411)
So what would be your solution? Ignoring wouldn't stop the path that they are already on. It is just something that would look good for those that choose not to engage.

If your stance was logical you wouldn't have to bank on a false dilemma to justify it. But

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1865396)
Ftr, I have no idea how to resolve the rise in this political ideology, but I don't think that violence is the right answer. Years ago, I might have said that sunshine is the best disinfectant, but I feel like the current state of the digital age has turned that concept into a thing of the past.

Also, violence as a solution to this issue appears to have the opposite effect. It makes their side look good because people have this misguided notion that when someone is silenced, whatever they're saying was correct or important, not to mention how it makes you look violent and people don't want to be associated with that. You don't even have to be a pacifist to understand that this is absolute garbage PR for your point.

The Batlord 08-17-2017 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1865405)
Violence is the only answer for Nazis. This isn't just a simple disagreement over positions/ideas. They want me dead because they feel like their white male privilege and identity is under attack. Also **** the white women that are on their side but being ignored by the masses. They were over there screaming blood and soil as well. This is more than just combating thoughts. I want to hit up the Florida rally or maybe the one in Toronto soon. **** the hippie bull**** about non violence. If someone is in your face with a gun threatening to shoot you just for existing good luck talking them out of it because you are on your non violence BS.

Put up or shut up, Nat Turner.

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Chula Vista 08-17-2017 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1865399)
This is what I've been trying to convey to you ever since you asked "what do you call the other side?"

But I didn't ask you. I asked Goofle who labeled the entire other side en masse.

Goofle, you say one side wants to control race and the other ideas.

I say one side wants to promote hate, bigotry, racism, and fear and the other side is not going sit by idle.

The Klan, and White Nationalist have a long history of violence and murder. And we all know the history of Nazism. Lots of people I saw interviewed talked about how they either had family members or knew of people who did who died as a result of those evil ideologies. It's no wonder passions would run high with some of those while listening to a bunch of dudes screaming racists and hateful crap at the top of their lungs.

Putting both sides on equal standing is simply wrong on so many levels from where I sit. I'm not advocating violence. It's wrong. It's not the answer. But one of the things I was reminded of by my doctor after I had that fugue is that the majority of our brain is no different than an animal. The logic portion is actually quite small. It's really easy to sit in front of a computer thousands of miles away and preach. But maybe standing right next to it might cause you to ignore normal logic a bit.

And then once the first punch is thrown the animal takes completely over with a lot of people.

Anyway, rant over.

Frownland 08-17-2017 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1865414)
Like I've said tolerating intolerance is not a logical concept to me

They've thrown the first punch by pushing an agenda that seeks to violently subjugate

Antifa is rooted in post WW2 Germany where the question was asked why so little was done to resist the creep of fascism

This shouldn't be confused with thinking the gov should limit speech I just can't say that all forms of political violence are bad, the ideology matters a lot

Maybe when the other side adapts that philosophy to justify their political own violence, you'll understand why I find this concerning. Kind of like how Trump helped people realize that Obama's expansion of the executive office was not a great idea, even if Obama used that expansion for mostly good efforts.

Frownland 08-17-2017 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1865415)

And then once the first punch is thrown the animal takes completely over with a lot of people.

In a court of law, is "but I was super mad" a defense?

Chula Vista 08-17-2017 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1865418)
In a court of law, is "but I was super mad" a defense?

Not the point dumbass.


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