Political Discussions for "Adults"

Lucem Ferre · 04-21-2020, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

I thought this was a thread for adults. With comments like that, I think we should change the title.

The concept that America is the worst country in history, and that somehow we've cheated our way to the top is analogous to "The moon landing was faked."

It's not a position that warrants thoughtful discussion. It's just entitled virtue signaling in which the goal is "I want to tell everyone I'm very smart and morally upright." But it isn't factual.

If there's any reason to look at American's with disdain, it's their laziness when it comes to their civil duty.

TBH, this does seem targeted.

TheBig3 · 04-21-2020, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Neoliberals are a bunch of backpedalers. Not talking about you of course, just a trend I noticed and decided to mention right now.

I mentioned mine in a larger discussion of the issue. You seem to be very upset that I made a statement about the far left.

Your statement as quoted here, imo, is fine. I'm not taking offense to it. but then again I'm not a neoliberal.

**Frownland** · 04-21-2020, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Well, this is why I mentioned the plurality. America has a lot of problems getting social policy passed because we're not a homogenous race. But neither is the globe. The Nordics have tiered social safety nets that never get discussed in the US, but you can't Copy&Paste because we're far more tolerant of immigrants in the US, we don't have a similar concept of citizenship, and you have to include many different ethnicities.

There shouldn't really be a global leader, but that doesn't mean that the role copies and pastes their governmental structure into every country. They should let local governments operate and step in when there's human rights violations.

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This is not to mention that maintaining a military capable of enforcing global order

Ja I'm not down with literal global totalitarianism thanks. The largest military force in human history isn't even enough to accomplish global order, doesn't seem like the best approach or maybe it's not even possible.

**Frownland** · 04-21-2020, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

I mentioned mine in a larger discussion of the issue. You seem to be very upset that I made a statement about the far left.

Ja I found your statement annoying because it's just entitled virtue signaling in which the goal is "I want to tell everyone I'm very smart and morally upright."

Lucem Ferre · 04-21-2020, 01:15 PM

So if somebody got a marker and colored one of OH's testicles with it, that'd probably do the trick. His nuts would be nuanced.

I don't know why he would want that, but hey, I won't judge. Man is entitled to his desires.

**Frownland** · 04-21-2020, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

So if somebody got a marker and colored one of OH's testicles with it, that'd probably do the trick. His nuts would be nuanced.

I don't know why he would want that, but hey, I won't judge. Man is entitled to his desires.

All it would take is good lighting and a well focused lens to bring out the nuance imo

Lucem Ferre · 04-21-2020, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

All it would take is good lighting and a well focused lens to bring out the nuance imo

There's lots of ways to nuance his nuts when you think about it. But in what way would the asked personally comply with his request?

TheBig3 · 04-21-2020, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

There shouldn't really be a global leader, but that doesn't mean that the role copies and pastes their governmental structure into every country. They should let local governments operate and step in when there's human rights violations.

Ja I'm not down with literal global totalitarianism thanks. The largest military force in human history isn't even enough to accomplish global order, doesn't seem like the best approach or maybe it's not even possible.

Taking both of your posts into account with the response.

1. I don't want a global leader either. But we're going to get one. I don't personally see a reality where that doesn't happen. It's always been the case, and I don't see when it ends.

That said, if we're going to have one, this is better than the alternative reality.

2. I 100% agree with local authority ruling assuming there's no super-state authority involved. In the US our States frequently punish one community over another through funding mechanisms and educational benefits. If we find a way around this, and it's a competition for residents based on policies, then yes. 100% agree.

3. The military thing goes back to my first point. I'm not "down with it" but I'm also not down with having to have a job. Unfortunately, this is the time in which I'm alive.

4. Again you're welcome to your opinion. That's fine by me, but so we're clear I don't know how I would have demonstrated any moral position, and I certainly don't think I'm better than others for one reason or another.

The Batlord · 04-21-2020, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

And Frownland says I'm the monster.

American's have also been given the ability to read, and exactly how many of them hold a library card? Tell me what you propose, Batlord. Since by the snark in your tone I'm going to guess you think you're smarter than I am. Tell me what I don't get.

I thought I was clear. There are no reasonable solutions because humans are terrible at government. This is why America is terrible, why the world's response to climate change is terrible (but especially America since efforts to curb climate change would disproportionately affect the country with the most to lose and we ain't havin' that), why the world's response to nuclear weapons is terrible (with America being of course one of the prime gun wielders in this never ending Mexican standoff), etc.

A large part of this is obviously the elites exploiting everyone they can get their mits on, but another necessary part is house negros like you chiding frustrated field negros for not seeing the wisdom of the plantation owners cause they know what they're doing.

grindy · 04-21-2020, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

I mean, explaining your position broadly as a means of communicating your point is a fairly common thing. The Left that has emerged since 2017's major problem is they take a meat-cleaver to something that requires a scalpel. I suppose I could have written it that way, but I think it's clear we're not involved in a civil discussion.

I may have been direct in my response, but to say that I was directing that at him? I think an impartial jury wouldn't convict.

**** the left.