Political Discussions for "Adults"

**Goofle** · 08-17-2017, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

I'm speaking in general to those (looking at you Goofle) who spout stuff like "I hate both sides".

I do hate both sides, and equally. One side wants to control race, the other to control ideas. And are willing to beat up and kill each other to reach their goals. I don't care if an individual is sympathetic to some of the political ideas held by Antifa types - let's say communism/socialism for example - you go ahead and agree with them on that issue. That's not the point. These people want you to think their way or else. You're a racist, sexist, Islamophobe, Nazi, booger picker if you don't think like them. And it's okay to shut down your events and punch you.

Obviously not everyone on either side wants to perpetrate violence, or has the fullest convictions in their beliefs - but fuck the ones who do.

djchameleon · 08-17-2017, 01:44 PM

Violence is the only answer for Nazis. This isn't just a simple disagreement over positions/ideas. They want me dead because they feel like their white male privilege and identity is under attack. Also **** the white women that are on their side but being ignored by the masses. They were over there screaming blood and soil as well. This is more than just combating thoughts. I want to hit up the Florida rally or maybe the one in Toronto soon. **** the hippie bull**** about non violence. If someone is in your face with a gun threatening to shoot you just for existing good luck talking them out of it because you are on your non violence BS.

**Frownland** · 08-17-2017, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Violence is the only answer for Nazis.

Very very very very very very very very very to the 100000th power dangerous precedent you set with that philosophy.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 08-17-2017, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy

About 12 years ago there was a Nazi demo with around 200 Nazis here and there was a counter demo with about 3000 participants. The cops tried to separate them and us counter-protesters, but me, my then-girlfriend and 2-3 other friends managed to go around the cops and witnessed a scene where a dozen or so Nazis were encircled by counter-protesters and ****ing savagely kicked and beaten with everything they could grab (stones, planks, some discarded boxes).
Now I can't say I'm particularly sad when a Nazi gets a bit beat up, but the savagery of mob mentality is pretty damn disgusting and scary.
Not taking sides here or anything, just a story I remembered

No doubt convincing themselves they are the 'good guys' and 'doing it for the right reasons', really they are yobs who want an excuse to hand out beatings.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Violence is the only answer for Nazis. This isn't just a simple disagreement over positions/ideas. They want me dead because they feel like their white male privilege and identity is under attack. Also **** the white women that are on their side but being ignored by the masses. They were over there screaming blood and soil as well. This is more than just combating thoughts. I want to hit up the Florida rally or maybe the one in Toronto soon. **** the hippie bull**** about non violence. If someone is in your face with a gun threatening to shoot you just for existing good luck talking them out of it because you are on your non violence BS.

Is violence the answer for the women too?

djchameleon · 08-17-2017, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Is violence the answer for the women too?

Men women and children can catch these hands. Will even dropkick some babies.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Very very very very very very very very very to the 100000th power dangerous precedent you set with that philosophy.

The wheels have already been set in motion through their past action and calls for genocide.

**Frownland** · 08-17-2017, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

The wheels have already been set in motion through their past action and calls for genocide.

"The Nazis are already doing it, so why shouldn't we?" Maybe don't aspire to Nazi values?

Political violence is a disservice to your own philosophy since it dilutes your message and only creates more passionate opponents.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 08-17-2017, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Men women and children can catch these hands. Will even dropkick some babies.

lol made me laugh tbh.

djchameleon · 08-17-2017, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

"The Nazis are already doing it, so why shouldn't we?" I don't aspire to Nazi values, that's for sure. Do as you do though.

Political violence is a disservice to your own philosophy since it dilutes your message and only creates more passionate opponents.

So what would be your solution? Ignoring wouldn't stop the path that they are already on. It is just something that would look good for those that choose not to engage.

**Frownland** · 08-17-2017, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

So what would be your solution? Ignoring wouldn't stop the path that they are already on. It is just something that would look good for those that choose not to engage.

If your stance was logical you wouldn't have to bank on a false dilemma to justify it. But

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Ftr, I have no idea how to resolve the rise in this political ideology, but I don't think that violence is the right answer. Years ago, I might have said that sunshine is the best disinfectant, but I feel like the current state of the digital age has turned that concept into a thing of the past.

Also, violence as a solution to this issue appears to have the opposite effect. It makes their side look good because people have this misguided notion that when someone is silenced, whatever they're saying was correct or important, not to mention how it makes you look violent and people don't want to be associated with that. You don't even have to be a pacifist to understand that this is absolute garbage PR for your point.

The Batlord · 08-17-2017, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Violence is the only answer for Nazis. This isn't just a simple disagreement over positions/ideas. They want me dead because they feel like their white male privilege and identity is under attack. Also **** the white women that are on their side but being ignored by the masses. They were over there screaming blood and soil as well. This is more than just combating thoughts. I want to hit up the Florida rally or maybe the one in Toronto soon. **** the hippie bull**** about non violence. If someone is in your face with a gun threatening to shoot you just for existing good luck talking them out of it because you are on your non violence BS.

Put up or shut up, Nat Turner.

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