Political Discussions for "Adults"

Anteater · 04-03-2020, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Like, I actually understand the gist of what you're saying. The firehose method of propaganda used by Putin and Trump to confuse reality by simply applying the benefit of the doubt in ways that are impossible to deal with have been used in less explicit forms exactly all of human history to make people less sure of themselves, and I can see how our using facts and logic can do the same to you in a way that is honest but in 99% of human discourse ends up with tricking the person into falling into #normal ways of thinking even when accepting those ideas didn't require falling into those ways of thinking and the people inserting facts and logic weren't even attempting to subvert free thought.

It's just the way human social behavior works. It's about conformity, not enlightenment.

All the more reason we need robot authoritarians.

The Batlord · 04-03-2020, 06:54 PM

****. Yes. Military school sucked ass but one thing I don't miss is having my entire life dictated so I don't have to worry about choice.

OccultHawk · 04-03-2020, 06:55 PM

Watching an interview with Chuck Schumer.

He called for this to be declared a national emergency on Jan. 26

Trump gains support by blaming it on the “impeachment hoax”

Just recently I was trying to read some stuff by Willard Van Orman Quine who was a philosopher whose ideas about linquistics influenced Chomsky.

I was reading it without any notes on what it means and it’s over my head but I still think what he was getting at was the more you break language down the less meaning it has and since it’s meaningless at a super micro level there’s always that ghost of ambiguity at the level of basic communication.

So next is just my own thought about that but if you can use that ghost of ambiguity inside the words effectively and you use verbal communication as a means to power it works. People who never or only rarely read have far less experience with language so they get tripped up easier. And you can’t build these skills through short fragments like on twitter and Facebook. You actually have to read books. Even more challenging, you even need to read books that aren’t fun to read.

The Batlord · 04-03-2020, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Watching an interview with Chuck Schumer.

He called for this to be declared a national emergency on Jan. 26

Trump gains support by blaming it on the “impeachment hoax”

Just recently I was trying to read some stuff by Willard Van Orman Quine who was a philosopher whose ideas about linquistics influenced Chomsky.

I was reading it without any notes on what it means and it’s over my head but I still think what he was getting at was the more you break language down the less meaning it has and since it’s meaningless at a super micro level there’s always that ghost of ambiguity at the level of basic communication.

So next is just my own thought about that but if you can use that ghost of ambiguity inside the words effectively and you use verbal communication as a means to power it works. People who never or only rarely read have far less experience with language so they get tripped up easier. And you can’t build these skills through short fragments like on twitter and Facebook. You actually have to read books. Even more challenging, you even need to read books that aren’t fun to read.

Bro reading books and becoming politically engaged doesn't make you immune to manipulation. It just changes how you are manipulated. I mean Fox News exists on this premise. And it's true for many who scoff at Fox News.

OccultHawk · 04-03-2020, 07:09 PM

Well, I didn’t say it makes you immune. I’m only saying if you don’t read you’re much more vulnerable.

The Booman · 04-04-2020, 11:30 PM

So, abortion. I am against it it in most cases. However I also do not like the idea of the government telling a woman what she can and can't do with her body. I believe it should be limited. I also believe the government should not be funding Planned Parenthood simply because the federal government should not be subsidizing any private business. Democrats need to stop with the abortion scare tactics. Roe V Wade is not going anywhere and even if it magically vanished it would simply become a states issue and most states would allow abortion with certain restrictions.

**Frownland** · 04-04-2020, 11:41 PM

Such an old issue. Everyone knows that abortion should be allowed until 6 weeks after birth, just like a Walmart exchange policy.

OccultHawk · 04-05-2020, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Booman

So, abortion. I am against it it in most cases. However I also do not like the idea of the government telling a woman what she can and can't do with her body. I believe it should be limited. I also believe the government should not be funding Planned Parenthood simply because the federal government should not be subsidizing any private business. Democrats need to stop with the abortion scare tactics. Roe V Wade is not going anywhere and even if it magically vanished it would simply become a states issue and most states would allow abortion with certain restrictions.

Have you ever seen a real video of a woman having an abortion? It’s sexy af. I have no idea why abortion porn isn’t bigger. The look on a woman’s face the moment the fetus is destroyed is the gold standard in erotica

Here’s a full history of my comments on this fantastic subject

https://www.musicbanter.com/search.php?searchid=7299589

I think you’ll come around to issue once you get a handle on ... just jack off to an abortion and you’ll get it.

OccultHawk · 04-05-2020, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

yeah and every abortion should come with a $300 check from Planned Parenthood

3000 and a free video - get that **** online ASAP.

OccultHawk · 04-05-2020, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I'm rock hard right now

I woke up soft

04-03-2020, 06:55 PM	#4863 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Watching an interview with Chuck Schumer. He called for this to be declared a national emergency on Jan. 26 Trump gains support by blaming it on the “impeachment hoax” Just recently I was trying to read some stuff by Willard Van Orman Quine who was a philosopher whose ideas about linquistics influenced Chomsky. I was reading it without any notes on what it means and it’s over my head but I still think what he was getting at was the more you break language down the less meaning it has and since it’s meaningless at a super micro level there’s always that ghost of ambiguity at the level of basic communication. So next is just my own thought about that but if you can use that ghost of ambiguity inside the words effectively and you use verbal communication as a means to power it works. People who never or only rarely read have far less experience with language so they get tripped up easier. And you can’t build these skills through short fragments like on twitter and Facebook. You actually have to read books. Even more challenging, you even need to read books that aren’t fun to read. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

04-03-2020, 07:09 PM	#4865 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Well, I didn’t say it makes you immune. I’m only saying if you don’t read you’re much more vulnerable. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

04-04-2020, 11:41 PM	#4867 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Such an old issue. Everyone knows that abortion should be allowed until 6 weeks after birth, just like a Walmart exchange policy. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-04-2020, 11:30 PM	#4866 (permalink)
The Booman Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 52	So, abortion. I am against it it in most cases. However I also do not like the idea of the government telling a woman what she can and can't do with her body. I believe it should be limited. I also believe the government should not be funding Planned Parenthood simply because the federal government should not be subsidizing any private business. Democrats need to stop with the abortion scare tactics. Roe V Wade is not going anywhere and even if it magically vanished it would simply become a states issue and most states would allow abortion with certain restrictions.