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Old 12-18-2019, 08:13 PM   #4381 (permalink)
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So is Trump really impeached?
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Old 12-18-2019, 08:15 PM   #4382 (permalink)
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Old 12-18-2019, 08:19 PM   #4383 (permalink)
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I'm honestly surprised: I didn't realize Democrats wanted a 2nd Trump term this much.
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Old 12-18-2019, 08:58 PM   #4384 (permalink)
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Old 12-18-2019, 09:08 PM   #4385 (permalink)
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0 Republicans voted for this no-brainer motion.

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Old 12-18-2019, 09:12 PM   #4386 (permalink)
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0 Republicans voted for this no-brainer motion.

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At what point do we just get fed up with the corruption and start killing evil politicians? Are we, as entitled and spoiled Americans, just a bunch of sad pathetic whiners that just let things happen to them?
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Old 12-18-2019, 09:13 PM   #4387 (permalink)
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Let's be clear, all of human history is not killing leaders who absolutely need killing. Human history is the history of cowardice.
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Old 12-18-2019, 09:18 PM   #4388 (permalink)
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We had a few good moments in this regard.
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Old 12-18-2019, 09:19 PM   #4389 (permalink)
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Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), who is running for president, voted “present” on impeaching President Trump on Wednesday in an unexpected defection among Democrats.

Gabbard claimed in a statement that she was "standing in the center" with her "present" vote.

“I could not in good conscience vote against impeachment because I believe President Trump is guilty of wrongdoing,” Gabbard said.

“I also could not in good conscience vote for impeachment because removal of a sitting president must not be the culmination of a partisan process, fueled by tribal animosities that have so gravely divided our country,” Gabbard continued.

Gabbard went on to declare that "Congress must be unequivocal in denouncing the president’s misconduct and stand up for the American people and our democracy."

But instead of impeachment, Gabbard called for consideration of a resolution that she introduced this week to censure Trump for his efforts to pressure the Ukrainian government to investigate his political opponents.

She argued that it would send a "strong message to this president and future presidents that their abuses of power will not go unchecked, while leaving the question of removing Trump from office to the voters to decide."

Gabbard's vote is sure to invite speculation that she intends to run as a third-party candidate later this year.

She has little chance of winning the Democratic presidential nomination and did not qualify for Thursday's debate.

Gabbard declined to respond to reporters' questions as she left the House floor, instead repeatedly referring them to her statement. Gabbard had not shown up to any votes earlier in the day.

Gabbard has said that she won't run as a third-party candidate, and Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez said last month that Gabbard had made an "unequivocal pledge" to run for president only as a Democrat.

Gabbard's fellow Democrats expressed surprise and disappointment at her unexpected vote as they left the House floor Wednesday night.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said Gabbard's "present" vote amounted to not taking a stand at all on impeaching Trump for his actions with regard to Ukraine.

"Today was a really important day. Whenever we have a vote, we should vote yes and we should vote no. And voting 'present' is a very tough position to be in. To not take a stand in a moment that is so consequential I think is quite difficult," Ocasio-Cortez said.

Others were plainer in their exasperation.

"It's beyond anything that you can really understand," said Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.), a member of the House Judiciary Committee.
Some Democrats — including Rep. Ben McAdams (Utah), a freshman who represents a swing district — had also floated censure instead of impeachment, but those efforts went nowhere. Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) dismissed the idea of censure earlier this year as "just a way out" and insufficient.

"If you're going to go, you've got to go. If the goods are there, you must impeach. And censure is nice, but it is not commensurate with the violations of the Constitution — should we decide that's the way to go," Pelosi said in June.

Gabbard's decision to vote "present" on the two articles of impeachment accusing Trump of abuse of power and obstructing Congress came as a surprise given that she had not made her intentions known beforehand.

But she did say earlier this week that she planned to introduce a resolution censuring Trump.

"I'm taking this time for myself to be able to review everything that's happened, all the information that's been put forward," Gabbard said Monday in South Carolina, according to ABC News.

"And just all the factors that go into really trying to figure out what is the best action to take for our country. And for democracy. It's not a simple or easy decision to make," she added.

All but three other Democrats voted in favor of both articles of impeachment.

Only Reps. Jefferson Van Drew (D-N.J.), who is expected to switch to the GOP in the coming days, and Collin Peterson (D-Minn.) voted against both articles. Freshman Rep. Jared Golden (D-Maine), who like Van Drew and Peterson represents a district that Trump carried in 2016, voted for the first article alleging abuse of power but against the second on obstruction of Congress.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...peaching-trump

Perhaps she shouldn't be allowed to muck up the Dem Primaries any more.
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Old 12-18-2019, 09:21 PM   #4390 (permalink)
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Not really. Most of the time it's ring led by other people who need killing even more than the last people. Makes you think that the whole enterprise is pointless and you should just accept your circumstances and let your leaders do whatever they want cause there's stuff to buy and beds to sleep in and most leaders don't really stand in the way of that.
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