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Can you provide an example of the child of a Republican that wasn't already doing international business before their parent(s) got into politics? That's the difference between Trump's kids and, say, Biden and Pelosi's offspring.

It's already happened in the past and nobody went to jail over it. So at an ethical level it's like "why should I care now if nobody cared before?". I've said this before, but either you actually care about the dubious ethics of colluding with foreign powers or it's fair game for everyone. It can't suddenly be bad when Republicans do it if its okay to go dig up dirt on Trump and Manafort in 2015-2016 from Russian and Ukrainian sources by organizations like the DNC.

Unfortunately, we live in a world where laws are always enforced selectively depending on who is in power and who wants what. Obama and Eric Holder aren't going to prison for running guns. Clinton isn't going to jail for setting up the 2008 financial crisis, Bush & Cheney aren't going to jail for the Iraq War, and Trump isn't going to jail for asking another country to look for Hillary Clinton's "missing server" or to open an investigation into Burisma.

What would be interesting to see is if Trump stays in office but loses 2020 to someone random like Deval Patrick.

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Frownland

Oh well in that case Trump's off Scot-free!

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Anteater

I prefer him to the neoliberals and the neocons tbh. It isn't about identity politics: it's about destabilizing government enough to where real progressive change agents could step in with a vengeance. We'll see one of those in 2020 maybe.

I'm sure you all know this one on some level already, but in the same way that people don't change unless you push them to the brink of destruction, America isn't ever going to change unless someone pushes it to the breaking point. You need someone incredibly polarizing to force a change in the status quo. That wasn't going to happen with a Hillary Clinton presidency.

Nothing happens in a vacuum my friend.

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Frownland

It's bad in any case. You're the only one here flirting with the idea that Biden's transgressions absolve Trump's.

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I have progressive beliefs / ideals, I just don't think they're realistic in a logistical sense. Same way I like sci-fi and fantasy novels over other genres. I know I'm not hopping on a spaceship tomorrow, but they're nice to think about.

Pointing out there's a precedent and an argument to be made doesn't resolve Trump of doing something wrong. I'm just a sportscaster watching a game here and making predictions on what plays both sides are going to make. If I were taking bets, I think it's more likely he won't be removed from office than not. I'm not expecting any surprises from Schiff and co. at this point.

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Frownland

Are you familiar with the concept of doublespeak?

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The Batlord

So you're a neoliberal.

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No. Neoliberals like war. I'd rather burn down the government than what we currently do in regards to foreign policy.

I don't see any of you guys prancing in the streets and making change. Bite me.

Lol like you actually care about those things.

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Frownland

Ah, that explains why you justify every element of the status quo when they're challenged: because you hate war.

We see right through you dude, quit fronting and be real ffs

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Anteater

I've already been real about it. I'm the grown up a room full of screaming babies who whine about change but don't like being told that the only way for real change to happen is for someone like Trump to run wild for awhile. It's like, what do you want me to say, that Bernie or Warren were going to be in the running if Clinton had won? They have a wonderful opportunity right now that didn't exist four years ago.

One term might be enough to galvanize the masses in the next 12 months. We could very well be in the endgame for The Great Trump Experiment. We'll just have to see.

I don't think I'm special. That's why I don't constantly cry about my personal life on a forum. I just like the music and the ****posting.

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