Anteater

I'll believe in miracles if they run anyone besides Biden as nominee.

Depends on the ultimate point they're trying to make, no?

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Chula Vista

It's all based on their voting block and when and if their opinions get swayed. Yesterday was a very bad day. GOP or Dem, the female electorate hate when powerful men pick on successful and vulnerable woman.

Saw a group of 6 women being interviewed last night and 3 of them were swayed to a YES on impeachment just based on yesterday.

It's now the weekend. Knitting circles and bridge clubs all over the country are going to be talking about Friday. Worst possible ending to a very bad week for Trump.

Bit of history:

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Frownland

So you're saying that because Trump won in what wasn't a landslide in 2016, that his numbers will stay the same because the only challenge he's facing is former Trump voters turning on him? I think you're underestimated the voting block who didn't vote in 2016 because they thought that Hillary was a sure thing who are likely to show up in the 2020 election.

Nope!

Which is an utterly meaningless way to gauge the outcome of the impeachment and public opinion.

Frankly I think the camps are more or less settled. Anyone who would've jumped off of the Trump train because of his actions would've done so a month into his presidency.

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Chula Vista

1. Buyer's remorse.
2. No 'evil Hillary' type opponent this time.
3. He will be impeached well before the elections.

He's toast.

Another note: Since 1900 only 2 presidents have won the electoral but lost the popular.

Gore beat Bush by 540,000 votes.
Clinton beat Trump by 2,870,000 votes.

You really think everything will line up perfectly for Trump in 2020 like it did in 2016???

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

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The Batlord

I wish Chula and Ant weren't allowed to vote tbh.

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Anteater

A few things to keep in mind, Chula.

1. Nixon's era wasn't nearly as politically polarized as this one is. There are other factors as well, but history isn't a helpful guide here.

2. The Republicans are going to call their own witnesses. Furthermore, they also have documentation that Burisma appealed to the Obama administration in 2016 with the equivalent of a plea to "not go after us" because they had Hunter Biden on their board, a back and forth that occurred before Joe Biden himself even got over there to potentially pull billions in military aid. So that's going to come up.

3. From Vadym Prystaiko, Ukraine's Foreign Minister - "“Ambassador Sondland did not tell us, and did not tell me exactly, about the relation between the assistance and the investigations. I do not recall any conversation with me as foreign minister. I have never seen a direct relationship between investigations and security assistance."

Your welcome. Maybe we should all just vote for Biden.

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Chula Vista

You do realize that Burisma is going to have NOTHING to do with the impeachment vote, right?

BENGHAZI redux.

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

Then when that testimony is introduced into the discussion, all of Congress will stand up and say "well shit, Biden's actually the guilty one! Anything that we've been trying to hold Trump accountable for is now absolved based on the precedent of the Butwudabout Rule."

Maybe you're right after all.

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Psy-Fi

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