Anteater

Lol don't be Lavrentiy Beria here. What specific "thing" do you think Trump should be strung up on? The border stuff? Saying mean things to Nancy Pelosi on Twitter? Climate change denial? Criminal justice reform?

If they're trying to impeach Trump over Ukraine, they should be focusing in on his usage of Rudy Guilliani and the whole "shadow policy" thing and not the alleged quid pro quo. But they don't want to pick a poison and stick with it.

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Frownland

There are a lot of war crimes and domestic transgressions that we could pin on Trump, but abusing his power in order to get foreign powers to further his own political means is worthy of the guillotine imo. You say Biden did it too? Let's chop him too, but let's keep due process in play and address that in a separate trial. In a perfect world, this will be the start of the government holding itself accountable for it's actions but we both know that ain't gojna happen. Tump's corrupt behaviour is not contingent on Biden's corrupt behaviour and to think otherwise is just breathless partisanship.

If I had to put odds on it, I'd say there's a 40% chance of Trump being removed from office in this impeachment trial. I'm not interested in being "realistic" enough to think that his unethical behaviour is acceptable because of what other scum**** politicians did.

Yes, do both! Why are you using examples of blatant corruption as a counterargument to the prospect of holding government officials for corruption? Dumb **** like that makes people more critical of your stances, not the "Trump derangement syndrome" that talk show radio hosts warned you of.

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Chula Vista

Asking a foreign government to investigate his political rival and holding up US tax dollars as leverage.
It's called abuse of the power of his elected position.

It's really that simple.

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Anteater

He should have just paid a 3rd party consultant to go and talk to them if he wanted dirt. Then nobody would have gotten in trouble.

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Chula Vista

Like Roger Stone?
Paul Manafort?
Michael Cohen?
Mike Flynn?
Rick Gates?
Oh wait.

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

How would you feel about that on an ethical level?

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debaserr

Not relevant when Republicans do this though, right?

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The Batlord

I mean it's just not relevant to Americans in general, who the **** is he kidding?

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ftfy

Can you provide an example of the child of a Republican that wasn't already doing international business before their parent(s) got into politics? That's the difference between Trump's kids and, say, Biden and Pelosi's offspring.

It's already happened in the past and nobody went to jail over it. So at an ethical level it's like "why should I care now if nobody cared before?". I've said this before, but either you actually care about the dubious ethics of colluding with foreign powers or it's fair game for everyone. It can't suddenly be bad when Republicans do it if its okay to go dig up dirt on Trump and Manafort in 2015-2016 from Russian and Ukrainian sources by organizations like the DNC.

Unfortunately, we live in a world where laws are always enforced selectively depending on who is in power and who wants what. Obama and Eric Holder aren't going to prison for running guns. Clinton isn't going to jail for setting up the 2008 financial crisis, Bush & Cheney aren't going to jail for the Iraq War, and Trump isn't going to jail for asking another country to look for Hillary Clinton's "missing server" or to open an investigation into Burisma.

What would be interesting to see is if Trump stays in office but loses 2020 to someone random like Deval Patrick.

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Frownland

Oh well in that case Trump's off Scot-free!

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