Frownland

Easy easy you'll give yourself away like that.

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Chula Vista

"I watched the news, I watched it, I watched it much more closely that you people did....." - The Donald.

Mitt Romney just released a statement that punched Trump right in the face.

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OccultHawk

Cue the goth jokes but we're all monsters.

That press conference was really nutty.

I do want America to dismantle and eradicate its hero worship of the "founding fathers"

Trump mentions Jefferson and Washington. I do not think either of them should be honored as great Americans. Washington was horribly cruel. Look at how he treated the troops at Valley Forge.

Like Washington, Jefferson owned slaves. Jefferson was also a rapist and supported the genocide against Native Americans even calling them "merciless Indian savages" in the Declaration of Independence.

First we have to bring out the truth and destroy the cult of love around the horrible genocidal maniac, Andrew Jackson, then next is Jefferson and Washington.

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Trump made a good point about the founding fathers, at least in regards to the far left's repeated attempts to rewrite history for the past few administrations. None of them were perfect people (and shouldn't be revered). Doesn't mean people should be wrecking Jefferson statues just because Antifa despise him for owning slaves.

But then he went off on a tangent about race relations and jobs or something and everything went off the rails at that point. Calling out both sides for their respective shortcomings was kind of refreshing, but it was a missed opportunity in most respects.

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riseagainstrocks

I'm certainly game to dive into the topic but a huge reason that the ire is not target a the Founding Fathers is that slavery was a fully legal institution during their time. Doesn't remove the stain on their legacy, but it's ahistorical to hold past figures to the same moral standards we have today.

The leaders of the Confederacy on the other hand, waged war against their lawfully elected representatives, murdered their fellow Americans in a war of choice, and actively battled to preserve human bondage.

Jefferson, Washington, et. al. were complex men with flaws, but they're on the right side of history, with regard to civic values. Davis, Lee, et. al. are not only on the wrong side of history, but they fought to preserve a system that the majority of the country had determined was a moral abomination.

That's the key difference between target Confederate slaveholders and Revolutionary-era slaveholders and the left's greater disdain for the former.

I think 20-30 years from now we'll have monument 'asterisks' making all parts of their history, and good and bad, upfront.

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Frownland

You're right that we shouldn't be taking down statues because Antifa doesn't like them, we should be taking them down because idolatry is a sin.

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Frownland

Political violence will always make you a piece of ****, no matter how well meaning your intentions are. Not only is it irrational, but it is wholly counterintuitive because it aids the propaganda of the other side to serve their victim narrative. If not that, you make your side look bad with that ****. That being said, I do agree that it needs to be stopped and not enough is being done to curb it.

Also (admittedly getting a little conspiratorial here), if protests continue to become breeding grounds for violence, I think the government is going to put a hamper on out right to protest. Is violence against POS Nazis mad satisfying? **** ja it is. Does it help the situation? I highly doubt it.

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Cuthbert

This.

djchameleon

At first he was talking all that trash about them being replaceable now all of a sudden he just dismantles it.

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