Political Discussions for "Adults"

Anteater · 09-25-2019, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

You wish you were a 4Chan ****lord but you're just a dank.

The Batlord · 09-27-2019, 03:30 PM

TBH all I think they're gonna do with this is make Beiden look like a chump and torpedo their chosen guy. Good job, dems. I was worried he would actually get the nomination.

Anteater · 09-27-2019, 04:34 PM

Warren is probably gong to get the nomination anyway, so Trump just shot himself in the foot bigly by getting all paranoid about Biden and talking to Ukraine about him.

~~jwb~~ · 09-27-2019, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

In this particular case, yes. Because their whole bitchfest is that Trump "pressured' another world leader against his will into investigating the Bidens and that there was some kind of quid pro quo. The Ukrainian president has no reason to take Trump's side if that's actually the case.

he suspended aid to the Ukraine a few days before calling and asking them to try to dig up dirt on a political rival. He moved the tapes to a classified server that is meant for info sensitive for national security reasons - which this is not. Now he's issuing thinly veiled death threats to the whistleblower and people in his own administration that cooperate. He acts more like a mafia don than a prez.

Biden and his son are dirty in the Ukraine too though. But you're insane to think this isn't worthy of impeachment.

~~jwb~~ · 09-27-2019, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Warren is probably gong to get the nomination

unfortunately things are currently trending that way

I have a feeling she'd be Obama 2.0

The Batlord · 09-27-2019, 06:28 PM

It's not the first thing worthy of impeachment and I'm sure it won't be the last. Donald Trump is incapable of controlling his own behavior. But so long as the Democrats don't control the Senate that's a moot point and I doubt the American public will be all that amazed by anything considering what they've shrugged their shoulders about thus far. So I really don't see any winning endgame here for the Democrats. At best they'll exchange pointless broadsides that will result in a political stalemate. But they'll probably just embolden the opposition while pointing out some stupid **** Biden did.

The Batlord · 09-27-2019, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

how would feel about impeachment based on "we just have the numbers to do it"

it's a weird ass political process

we saw with Bill the "trial" is all theater

An impeachment isn't politics. It's TV. There's plenty of actual politics that goes on in Washington but by the time it gets to the point of impeachment the politics is already decided and its the TV audience who are the point.

~~jwb~~ · 09-27-2019, 06:33 PM

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how would feel about impeachment based on "we just have the numbers to do it"

it's a weird ass political process

we saw with Bill the "trial" is all theater

Our memory is short

Yea impeachment arguably helped Clinton's image

But it destroyed Nixon.

The devil is in the details. I don't think it's necessary they actually remove him from office via impeachment. The worse they can make him look before the election, the better for them. The only real risk is that the American people percieve it as an arbitrary witch-hunt like they did with Clinton and then it backfires.

~~jwb~~ · 09-27-2019, 06:44 PM

I honestly have gotten to the point where part of me thinks he's too dangerous to leave in office, and the other part thinks that if the Dems got someone like Biden in that i would almost prefer Trump because at least he is stirring up genuine opposition.

Like I gave up on american politics by 2012. Can you imagine we would even possibly be debating things like single payer, free college, reparations, UBI if that mullet head fembot Hillary won in 2016? It would be business as usual.

But the danger he represents is the precedents he sets. Like you said if he is that invincible... You really think he'll be the last one to exploit that? Presidents are getting stronger and more powerful with each successive generation. Once you summon that genie there's no putting it back in the bottle.

The Batlord · 09-27-2019, 06:52 PM

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I honestly have gotten to the point where part of me thinks he's too dangerous to leave in office, and the other part thinks that if the Dems got someone like Biden in that i would almost prefer Trump because at least he is stirring up genuine opposition.

Like I gave up on american politics by 2012. Can you imagine we would even possibly be debating things like single payer, free college, reparations, UBI if that mullet head fembot Hillary won in 2016? It would be business as usual.

But the danger he represents is the precedents he sets. Like you said if he is that invincible... You really think he'll be the last one to exploit that? Presidents are getting stronger and more powerful which each successive generation. Once you summon that genie there's no putting it back in the bottle.

Yeah definitely. I don't think Trump should be allowed to not be impeached for at least something, but I think ultimately it will be hollow. If he can get away with putting children in concentration camps then we are too far gone for this to truly matter.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I honestly have gotten to the point where part of me thinks he's too dangerous to leave in office, and the other part thinks that if the Dems got someone like Biden in that i would almost prefer Trump because at least he is stirring up genuine opposition. Like I gave up on american politics by 2012. Can you imagine we would even possibly be debating things like single payer, free college, reparations, UBI if that mullet head fembot Hillary won in 2016? It would be business as usual. But the danger he represents is the precedents he sets. Like you said if he is that invincible... You really think he'll be the last one to exploit that? Presidents are getting stronger and more powerful with each successive generation. Once you summon that genie there's no putting it back in the bottle. Last edited by jwb; 09-27-2019 at 06:51 PM.