Political Discussions for "Adults"

The Batlord · 08-20-2019, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

It's all relevant but TV and video games have been around since before I was born. Yet when I was in high school you still mostly had to learn how to socialize irl. By the time I was 20 Myspace and Facebook were just new avenues to meet women but it wasn't like you learned how to socialize from these platforms. Now we're dealing with a generation that grows up in an era where face to face socializing is less common than the electronic form. So maybe they don't exactly know what to say or do irl approaching a girl. And things like tinder don't exactly help as a replacement.

I think you're underestimating the effect on our generation. It was the 90s when school shootings became the hot rage after all. I think there's a lot of stuff to look at for that, but the increased isolation caused by TV and **** for those naturally prone to being isolated doesn't exactly sound innocent.

Lucem Ferre · 08-20-2019, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I've never met anyone IRL who played that

I've met several and majority had no problem getting laid and definitely didn't fit the stereotype.

~~jwb~~ · 08-20-2019, 08:23 PM

@ Batlord

IIRC it was Columbine that set it off

A whole generation of homicidal maniacs were inspired by them

As more shootings happen, you see the influence this sort of act creates on other alienated and hopeless souls.

That's one thing I always think about. We've had guns capable of this sort of thing for a long long time. We've had mental health problems for even longer. The one new ingredient is the sort of folklore and legacy these shooters create them selves via the modern press.

Lucem Ferre · 08-20-2019, 08:28 PM

My friend that has the biggest problems getting laid is actually extremely social and hates social media. He's not really that awkward either outside of his narcolepsy caused by sleep apnea where he'll just randomly fall asleep mid conversation if he's sitting down. He's just the guy that falls for any girl that shows him the slightest bit of attention and I guess that's off putting to most girls he's tried to get with.

~~jwb~~ · 08-20-2019, 08:30 PM

We're taking general rules, it's not going to apply to everyone. There have always been people who can't/don't get laid. The new thing is a rising % of virgins.

~~jwb~~ · 08-20-2019, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

He's just the guy that falls for any girl that shows him the slightest bit of attention and I guess that's off putting to most girls he's tried to get with.

This will turn virtually any girl off.

The Batlord · 08-20-2019, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

@ Batlord

IIRC it was Columbine that set it off

A whole generation of homicidal maniacs were inspired by them

As more shootings happen, you see the influence this sort of act creates on other alienated and hopeless souls.

That's one thing I always think about. We've had guns capable of this sort of thing for a long long time. We've had mental health problems for even longer. The one new ingredient is the sort of folklore and legacy these shooters create them selves via the modern press.

Yeah that's what I was referring to. 90s. I'm not putting that solely at the feet of TV and video games as the social upheavals of the past few decades have been crazy but I think TV and video games and now social media and the internet and iPhones are part of a perfect storm. Throw in out of whack gender roles for men, capitalism and constant TV advertising dehumanizing people into living commodities, and an ever worsening American dream and you get more and more school shootings as young men are overwhelmed by a world that no longer makes sense or cares for them (or anyone else for that matter but the girls aren't shooting up schools so that's not really the point).

~~jwb~~ · 08-20-2019, 08:38 PM

I know it happened in the 90s but I think it had more to do with their resentment for how they were treated at school than TV and video games. Though I remember part of the press did blame Marilyn Manson.

~~jwb~~ · 08-20-2019, 08:41 PM

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is it entirely accounted for with incel men?

or are a significant portion of young women choosing voluntarily to put off sex

I don't remember the stats but it's obviously more men than women but women are also trending in the same direction, IIRC.

Lucem Ferre · 08-20-2019, 08:41 PM

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men often do have the problem of being way too far ahead of themselves myself included at times

the anxiety isn't so high if a relationship is naturally developed on an equal level every step of the way, but often the guy is going in already on the relationship level before he's so much as shared a laugh with the woman

The sad part is these girls are typically interested in him at first. Maybe he should just order a back page prostitute.

Then there's this one dude living at the neighboring friend's house who's ugly as ****, literally brain damaged and getting pussy every night. They say he was bringing home some pretty nasty looking girls though. Theory is that since he was working at the downtown library he was picking up homeless girls. Ahh Magna, you never cease.

08-20-2019, 08:23 PM	#3213 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	@ Batlord IIRC it was Columbine that set it off A whole generation of homicidal maniacs were inspired by them As more shootings happen, you see the influence this sort of act creates on other alienated and hopeless souls. That's one thing I always think about. We've had guns capable of this sort of thing for a long long time. We've had mental health problems for even longer. The one new ingredient is the sort of folklore and legacy these shooters create them selves via the modern press.

08-20-2019, 08:30 PM	#3215 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	We're taking general rules, it's not going to apply to everyone. There have always been people who can't/don't get laid. The new thing is a rising % of virgins.

08-20-2019, 08:38 PM	#3218 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I know it happened in the 90s but I think it had more to do with their resentment for how they were treated at school than TV and video games. Though I remember part of the press did blame Marilyn Manson.