Political Discussions for "Adults"

**Frownland** · 08-13-2019, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Show me the stats with a breakdown of which gender each victim was. It would be a lot more useful.

In terms of identity or sex? It seems obvious to me that the kind of person who would commit a hate crime towards a trans person would hold the same kind of contempt for a non-binary, genderqueer, non-conforming, biogender, etc.

DwnWthVwls · 08-13-2019, 10:59 AM

Well i said gender so gender? Sex isnt gender get with the times.

**Frownland** · 08-13-2019, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Well i said gender so gender? Sex isnt gender get with the times.

In that case,

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Originally Posted by Frownland

it seems obvious to me that the kind of person who would commit a hate crime towards a trans person would hold the same kind of contempt for people who are non-binary, genderqueer, non-conforming, biogender, etc.

so I think it's pretty rational to say that non-binary people are marginalized.

DwnWthVwls · 08-13-2019, 11:07 AM

Seeming obvious to you isnt good enough considering the huge differences between the genders. Id be willing to bet a majority of those cases fall in line with the more traditional mtf/ftm “trapped in the wrong body” people than any one of the 7 billion nonbinary types.

**Frownland** · 08-13-2019, 11:10 AM

You don't have to agree with how they identify to recognize that they're marginalized.

DwnWthVwls · 08-13-2019, 11:15 AM

Im still trying to figure out how you marginalize a group of unique individuals pinpointed somewhere on the gender spectrum and how their treatment is different from anyone else who falls outside societal norms and gets bullied, assaulted, and harassed.

**Frownland** · 08-13-2019, 11:17 AM

By bullying, assaulting, or harassing them for falling outside of societal norms.

DwnWthVwls · 08-13-2019, 11:24 AM

Cool now how many people who fit that criteria for reasons other than gender also suffer the same consequences, mr statman?

~~jwb~~ · 08-13-2019, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy

It's kind of understandable and forgivable for marginalized people to want to cling to some kind of identity-building trait or concept. Which is the reason why gay pride or black pride are much, much less retarded than white or straight pride. Would of course still be great if at some point humanity would be able to leave identities or at least such silly concepts of identity behind altogether.

A gay friend of mine once berated me for "not embracing gay culture" cause I'm bi but I don't watch queer as folk and act like a sissy. I told him go **** yourself with your gay culture and your rainbow flag and your leather bound parades. I never signed up for that to be my image or identity and frankly it doesn't appeal to me in the slightest.

**Frownland** · 08-13-2019, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Cool now how many people who fit that criteria for reasons other than gender also suffer the same consequences, mr statman?

Bunches. If weirdos were a quantifiable, self identified group, then they would be marginalized too. You're saying that this is supposed to discount the marginalization of non-binary people?

08-13-2019, 11:10 AM	#3085 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	You don't have to agree with how they identify to recognize that they're marginalized. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

08-13-2019, 11:17 AM	#3087 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	By bullying, assaulting, or harassing them for falling outside of societal norms. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x