Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 08-11-2019, 05:39 PM

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race has no basis in biology

Can you link to this study?

I understand that I might have more genetically in common with black people than other white people and the variations go on and on but...

no basis in biology?

Show me the studies.

OccultHawk · 08-11-2019, 05:41 PM

is skin color race? No

are Italians white? Sort of

are white Africans black? No

Just because it’s not easy to study doesn’t mean it’s impossible.

Parameters and definitions would have to be clarified

OccultHawk · 08-11-2019, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I don't see why it would any more than less taboo traits like height, dick size, etc. Statistical differences between groups are to be expected.

I agree.

And it’s only anecdotal but I do have a huge cock and a very high IQ.

~~jwb~~ · 08-11-2019, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Can you link to this study?

I understand that I might have more genetically in common with black people than other white people and the variations go on and on but...

no basis in biology?

Show me the studies.

OccultHawk · 08-11-2019, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

imagine in the 21st century not knowing race is a social construct

you were a teacher no less

if you don't understand this, there's no reason to read Foccault or to go any further

Melanin isn’t a social construct. Neither is sickle cell anemia.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/sicklecell/data.html

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SCD affects approximately 100,000 Americans.
SCD occurs among about 1 out of every 365 Black or African-American births.
SCD occurs among about 1 out of every 16,300 Hispanic-American births.
About 1 in 13 Black or African-American babies is born with sickle cell trait (SCT).

Wow. The CDC differentiates by RACE so I guess malaria and sickle cell disease are social constructs. Alert the scientific community, immediately. The CDC acknowledges race so they must be racist and therefore must be wrong. Don’t worry black people. Whew. That’s a relief.

OccultHawk · 08-11-2019, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

theres a reason I'm "white" and not "British" even though that's 99% of DNA

it's not referring to DNA or biology, it's refering to a class

it moreso says I'm not part of one of the groups that have been singled out and opressed

Fine. But your assertion that this is the ONLY differentiation is absurd in any century.

OccultHawk · 08-11-2019, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I listened until he laid out his thesis and that he’s not claiming there’s no biological difference just that it’s very much by in large extraordinarily blown out of proportion and exaggerated profoundly by culture I realize already agree and understand what he’s saying. It’s just the other extreme, a position he isn’t taking, that biology creates no distinction what-so-ever is also preposterous.

~~jwb~~ · 08-11-2019, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Melanin isn’t a social construct. Neither is sickle cell anemia.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/sicklecell/data.html

Wow. The CDC differentiates by RACE so I guess malaria and sickle cell disease are social constructs. Alert the scientific community, immediately. The CDC acknowledges race so they must be racist and therefore must be wrong. Don’t worry black people. Whew. That’s a relief.

If you continued to watch you would have heard that superficial indicators like skin tone and hair texture are the most pronounced differences, along with suceptability to certain diseases.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I listened until he laid out his thesis and that he’s not claiming there’s no biological difference just that it’s very much by in large extraordinarily blown out of proportion and exaggerated profoundly by culture I realize already agree and understand what he’s saying. It’s just the other extreme, a position he isn’t taking, that biology creates no distinction what-so-ever is also preposterous.

if you manage to sit through the entire first video at least he basically breaks down how races don't match up with distinct genetic subgroups in any meaningful way. It's a social construct in that we categorize more based on looks than by genetics. Both sub Saharan Africans and Australian aboriginals fall under the category of black, even though they're not related genetically. And there's more genetic diversity in sub Saharan Africans than there is between certain "races."

OccultHawk · 08-11-2019, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

If you continued to watch you would have heard that superficial indicators like skin tone and hair texture are the most pronounced differences, along with suceptability to certain diseases.

if you manage to sit through the entire first video at least he basically breaks down how races don't match up with distinct genetic subgroups in any meaningful way. It's a social construct in that we categorize more based on looks than by genetics. Both sub Saharan Africans and Australian aboriginals fall under the category of black, even though they're not related genetically. And there's more genetic diversity in sub Saharan Africans than there is between certain "races."

Ill watch it but I already know that stuff.

I understand about the genetic diversity in sub Saharan Africa as well although that did surprise me when I first learned about it.

Honestly, I doubt we disagree on anything except for maybe how things should be worded.

elph on the other hand will not acknowledge anything that doesn’t reinforce what he already believes and wants to be true

OccultHawk · 08-11-2019, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

jwb and I basically have the same stance

I have not said that there are no genetic differences based ancestery

Im saying race is a social construct, not a scientific one

Whatever.

His conclusion is based on evidence and the best science available.

Your conclusion is based on whether it supports your agenda.

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