Political Discussions for "Adults"

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 07:42 PM

He isn't hiding behind anything in his critique of post modernists. He uses very simple language to spell out how they try to dismantle any sort of attempt at finding the truth in any domain.

The Batlord · 08-09-2019, 07:45 PM

I mean the basic point of post-modernism is that it's trying to describe human nature and existence that is or has been previously indescribable by words due to how ****ing abstract it is, so if it sounds like nonsense then maybe it's because of how poorly words describe abstract ideas in the first place. Or am I off base?

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 07:50 PM

It's not just that. They basically under value science and any sort of objective attempt at truth on the basis that these notions are being propped up by the white male dominated institutions that propagate them.

Nevermind the fact that virtually all the great post modernist thinkers were themselves white males from the very same institutions

OccultHawk · 08-09-2019, 07:53 PM

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The Batlord · 08-09-2019, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

it would more say that the way we think about human nature and existence is obviously under the influence of our language

Well of course as it would be one more thing acting as a funhouse mirror to help us understand ourselves that also distorts our self image, but the point is that we're trying to put words to things that are only somewhat less easy to describe than dreams. Or even harder, I don't know. Dreams are one person's thing whereas society is the dream of 7 billion people with wildly different dreams.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 07:58 PM

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well Foccult was gay in a time and place where it certainly wasn't open

how much of what you know about postmodernism is from reading these guys and how much is it just listening to their critics?

yeh and Einstein was a Jew in a time and place where that wasn't optimal. They don't care about that

more from the latter though tbh.

OccultHawk · 08-09-2019, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky

I mean the basic point of post-modernism is that it's trying to describe human nature and existence that is or has been previously indescribable by words due to how ****ing abstract it is, so if it sounds like nonsense then maybe it's because of how poorly words describe abstract ideas in the first place. Or am I off base?

That’s exactly what Heidegger was saying we needed to do. Stretch the boundaries of language. Attempts to do it aren’t always going to be perfect and yeah there’s going to be baloney mixed in. Even Choms can bigot.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I don't agree wholesale that there is no truth,

so you basically disagree with the Crux of their argument

The Batlord · 08-09-2019, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

well Foccult was gay in a time and place where it certainly wasn't open

how much of what you know about postmodernism (in politics) is from reading these guys and how much is it just listening to their critics?

I don't agree wholesale that there is no truth, I do however think they make quite a few solid points about the nature of truth and the influence of culture and power

I'm not scholar of post-modernism by any stretch of the imagination and I'm not even limiting this to philosophical post-modernism. I'm also considering post-modernism in art and how that relates to the concept of post-modernism in general, but I'm also not describing post-modernism as "there is no truth" as that's a silly strawman for the most part, but as: the human mind was not designed to comprehend all this **** (i.e. everything) and so it tried to channel itself down certain paths that were easier, simpler, more intuitive, and more productive, but which were also restrictive, and post-modernism tries to shed these constraints both for the betterment of humankind but also simply as a mental exercise.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 08:04 PM

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well your statement that "they're white males anyway" is ignoring that with the postmodernist we're talking about, a large amount of the inspiration came from comparing the way homosexuals were treated in different points of history vs. the so called "civilized" period he inhabited

I'm not actually trying to discredit them based on being white males. I just think that tactic is dishonest when they use it and so it's ironic that they are in fact white males.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	He isn't hiding behind anything in his critique of post modernists. He uses very simple language to spell out how they try to dismantle any sort of attempt at finding the truth in any domain.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	It's not just that. They basically under value science and any sort of objective attempt at truth on the basis that these notions are being propped up by the white male dominated institutions that propagate them. Nevermind the fact that virtually all the great post modernist thinkers were themselves white males from the very same institutions