Political Discussions for "Adults"

**Frownland** · 08-08-2019, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

It's a simple cop out which is why I'm not entertaining it. In this case I get the same lame tactic used by left wingers and right wingers alike, anytime I criticize either side. It's one infuriating trait they do share.

Cheap whataboutism is all too common, but using that fact as an excuse to dismiss counterexamples is a lame cop out as well.

OccultHawk · 08-08-2019, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Nah, it seems like a cop out to me.

Let's be clear.... It's a pattern I've specifically noted in the left. I haven't seen the same exact pattern on the right. Maybe it's out there, maybe it's not, I'm not going to go looking for an equivalent everytime I voice a criticism just to seem "fair." And you've yet to provide a real counter example. So I can't help but think..... You're just deflecting to turn the conversation away from criticism of the side you support.

For sure.

I’ve never once criticized Islam without but but but... CHRISTIANS.

And I mean never.

Never ever.

OccultHawk · 08-08-2019, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Cheap whataboutism is all too common, but using that fact as an excuse to dismiss counterexamples is a lame cop out as well.

Not if you want to actually discuss something in particular.

~~jwb~~ · 08-08-2019, 05:13 PM

Also which counter examples?

The Batlord · 08-08-2019, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Nah, it seems like a cop out to me.

Let's be clear.... It's a pattern I've specifically noted in the left. I haven't seen the same exact pattern on the right. Maybe it's out there, maybe it's not, I'm not going to go looking for an equivalent everytime I voice a criticism just to seem "fair." And you've yet to provide a real counter example. So I can't help but think..... You're just deflecting to turn the conversation away from criticism of the side you support.

Yeah you didn't learn a damn thing from the Trump debacle.

~~jwb~~ · 08-08-2019, 05:15 PM

yawn

**Frownland** · 08-08-2019, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Not if you want to actually discuss something in particular.

No, distracting from the root issue by deflecting the blame to one side definitely gets in the way of that.

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Originally Posted by jwb

Also which counter examples?

If you would you really like help with examples of the American right demonizing or attempting to suppress opposing opinions, I'll do that but I want to give you the benefit of the doubt before spitting a list at you.

~~jwb~~ · 08-08-2019, 05:24 PM

No. Give me an example of right wingers using guilt via association to smear other right wingers for talking to a "problematic" leftist

Cause that's specifically what I'm talking about on the left. That's what I was referring to as mccarthyist.

OccultHawk · 08-08-2019, 05:39 PM

The left has a unique way of “shutting down” voices they don’t like therefore it’s useful to talk about this problem in isolation.

**Frownland** · 08-08-2019, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

No. Give me an example of right wingers using guilt via association to smear other right wingers for talking to a "problematic" leftist

Cause that's specifically what I'm talking about on the left. That's what I was referring to as mccarthyist.

Ah, when you were referring to them as McCarthyist, I thought that you were referring to

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Originally Posted by jwb

the way they categorize anyone who talks to anyone they disagree with as the enemy

Can you give me some examples of what the right views as problematic leftists?

I could see a conservative uproar if some high ranking conservative interviewed this guy without challenging any of his points or criticizing him. https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/ed...226810084.html

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Also which counter examples?

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	yawn

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	No. Give me an example of right wingers using guilt via association to smear other right wingers for talking to a "problematic" leftist Cause that's specifically what I'm talking about on the left. That's what I was referring to as mccarthyist.