Political Discussions for "Adults"

The Batlord · 08-09-2019, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

well Foccult was gay in a time and place where it certainly wasn't open

how much of what you know about postmodernism (in politics) is from reading these guys and how much is it just listening to their critics?

I don't agree wholesale that there is no truth, I do however think they make quite a few solid points about the nature of truth and the influence of culture and power

I'm not scholar of post-modernism by any stretch of the imagination and I'm not even limiting this to philosophical post-modernism. I'm also considering post-modernism in art and how that relates to the concept of post-modernism in general, but I'm also not describing post-modernism as "there is no truth" as that's a silly strawman for the most part, but as: the human mind was not designed to comprehend all this **** (i.e. everything) and so it tried to channel itself down certain paths that were easier, simpler, more intuitive, and more productive, but which were also restrictive, and post-modernism tries to shed these constraints both for the betterment of humankind but also simply as a mental exercise.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

well your statement that "they're white males anyway" is ignoring that with the postmodernist we're talking about, a large amount of the inspiration came from comparing the way homosexuals were treated in different points of history vs. the so called "civilized" period he inhabited

I'm not actually trying to discredit them based on being white males. I just think that tactic is dishonest when they use it and so it's ironic that they are in fact white males.

OccultHawk · 08-09-2019, 07:09 PM

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how much of what you know about postmodernism (in politics) is from reading these guys and how much is it just listening to their critics?

When I was in college everyone called I & I a postmodernist. It was mostly about cereal box design.

OccultHawk · 08-09-2019, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

yes the mispelling is intentional OH btw

even if no one else would notice the joke

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 07:31 PM

I don't think so

www.allaboutphilosophy.org/postmodernism.htm

The Batlord · 08-09-2019, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

so you basically disagree with the Crux of their argument

To say that post-modernism is saying that there is no truth is just saying that post-modernism is nihilism. I think the point of post-modernism is that it acknowledges nihilism, a viewpoint that divorces itself from human viewpoints totally, but actively dives into human viewpoints to examine them from a human perspective, just in a way that isn't traditional.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 07:44 PM

Nihilism doesn't call objective reality into question, only existential meaning

Again, I'm not pulling this out if my ass. Chomsky and many other critics raise the same point, and basic neutral overviews of the philosophy say something similar. At this point I'd think the onus is on you guys to cite something backing up your pov

The Batlord · 08-09-2019, 07:51 PM

Nihilism by definition would deny reality since muffukkin the Matrix means that there is no objective reality beyond maybe natural laws like gravity and the conservation of mass and energy.

Not that I'm acknowledging your point as having anything to do with what I said cause it didn't but maybe it had something to do with what something someone else said.

OccultHawk · 08-09-2019, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

yeah I just wouldn't agree with this assessment

who is this guy anyway?

https://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/who-am-i.htm

think I'll read his half page thoughts on Adam & Eve next

I thought the link was sarcastic.

The Batlord · 08-09-2019, 07:58 PM

I should ****ing hope it was.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I don't think so www.allaboutphilosophy.org/postmodernism.htm

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Nihilism doesn't call objective reality into question, only existential meaning Again, I'm not pulling this out if my ass. Chomsky and many other critics raise the same point, and basic neutral overviews of the philosophy say something similar. At this point I'd think the onus is on you guys to cite something backing up your pov