Political Discussions for "Adults"

The Batlord · 08-01-2019, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

The argument isn't just that this is what it current system operates under

It's that if you can get the same product for less then give me a good reason for why you should pay more

Plus I'm pretty sure you operate under the same principle when shopping around

Explain to me how your ideas make people less miserable than they currently are.

~~jwb~~ · 08-01-2019, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky

Yeah no, **** your example. There's a reason I didn't care about your house painting ****. It actively tries to remove the humanity from the equation, and the humanity is the point. You're obfuscating how replaceability affects actual real people by making it about some obscure example that I guess affects nobody. I work with replaceable people who work two jobs to make ends meet, and who pride themselves on not taking government money because it makes them feel less replaceable because being as low on the economic, replaceable ladder as they are has conditioned them to convince anyone who will listen that they're not as replaceable as you might think. This **** is inhumane, not just economically, but psychologically, and all your theory is pretty but ultimately bull****.

The reason I brought up sex and women and sluttiness is because it is not directly an economic issue. It's directly a social issue, and social issues are vastly important in a way that you're ignoring as if economics exists in a white people vacuum.

It's not a crazy obscure example, lol

It's very real and is the same logic employers use in a day to day basis

You tried to shoehorn the example of dating in but it's not the same game

~~jwb~~ · 08-01-2019, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky

Explain to me how your ideas make people less miserable than they currently are.

they don't.

This is the logic of the system we live in, so why would it make anyone less miserable? It already is in effect

I'm just not pretending I can override that system via sheer moral outrage and a lack of basic understanding of economics

~~jwb~~ · 08-01-2019, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Lemme demonstrate why capitalism never pays workers what they're worth...

I wouldn't even speak to the morality of it, I thought everyone was aware capitalism is immoral

it's just one of those "basic economic points" that you don't pay someone the value of their labor in capitalism

you pay them the value based on said capitalist system, which happens to include competition

**Frownland** · 08-01-2019, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

It's that if you can get the same product for less then give me a good reason for why you should pay more

See what I mean?

**Frownland** · 08-01-2019, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

you pay them the value based on said capitalist system, which happens to include competition

See what I mean?

**Frownland** · 08-01-2019, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

they don't.

This is the logic of the system we live in, so why would it make anyone less miserable? It already is in effect

I'm just not pretending I can override that system via sheer moral outrage and a lack of basic understanding of economics

See what I mean?

~~jwb~~ · 08-01-2019, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

See what I mean?

I see that you have no basic argument or you would put it forward

Bottom line is you guys think that I'm saying is heartless

I think what you're saying is brainless

The Batlord · 08-01-2019, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

It's not a crazy obscure example, lol

It's very real and is the same logic employers use in a day to day basis

You tried to shoehorn the example of dating in but it's not the same game

The whole point is that the casually inhumane way that workers are treated is analogous to the casually inhumane way that "sluts" are treated in this society where it's just normal for workers to be abused by companies and society and for women to be abused by men and society.

And yeah your example was obscure, because the way that money interacts with labor is ****ing obscure. It's a way to apply some weird ass mathematical calculation to people banging hammers and sewing. It's a replacement for bartering that's I guess meant to account for being able to gather something called "wealth". As a basic principle it does not makes sense. And trying to divorce it as much as possible from labor to make a point makes it more obscure and that was your intention.

**Frownland** · 08-01-2019, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I see that you have no basic argument or you would put it forward

Bottom line is you guys think that I'm saying is heartless

I think what you're saying is brainless

And what exactly am I supposed to be saying because all I did was point out how you're approaching the conversation differently from everyone else in the discussion.