Political Discussions for "Adults"

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Uh. elph, lucem, anyone? Can I get some credit for demolishing the how much could I make selling fish on my own argument with this true account. Thank you.

So corruption exists and some companies are built on it. This doesn't dismantle the basic role the company plays

Lucem Ferre · 07-31-2019, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Uh. elph, lucem, anyone? Can I get some credit for demolishing the how much could I make selling fish on my own argument with this true account. Thank you.

It goes back to my point of one of Uinta's owners literally owning Uinta just to own a brewery.

Which, by the way, as a kegger I literally kegged almost all of the beer that we sent out world wide. 1 location.

Lucem Ferre · 07-31-2019, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

So corruption exists and some companies are built on it. This doesn't dismantle the basic role the company plays

What do you mean by company because I've been assuming you mean owners.

Do you think that laborers are not a part of the company?

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

not really, if I make a chair out of raw materials, the raw materials has now gained utility it did not have before

I, (the worker) have added value

now the markets will decide what exactly the value added is (under capitalism), but that's irrelevant to what division of that value added they deserve (likely 100% in all honesty)

That's perfectly fine but if it turns out that chair can go for 100 dollars in a store and yet you can't sell it for ****, it's still not worth 100 dollars.

I'm not saying labor doesn't have a basic pragmatic value but financially speaking it's not the only variable in the equation of the value of a business. Especially low skilled labor that is easy to replace

McDonald's makes a **** load of money. Their employees are ****ing terrible and easily replaced.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 02:32 PM

Not even close. I wasn't even born yet.

And I'm not even married to capitalism. But the reality is low skilled workers are worth Jack **** and will soon be replaced with robots. That's why we need UBI, or a mass culling. Take your pick.

Lucem Ferre · 07-31-2019, 02:35 PM

Oh and just to clear things up...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Uncle%20Tom

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2 disparaging : a person who is overly subservient to or cooperative with authority

Acting like it's a racial slur is as about as dishonest as acting like 'white trash' is a racial slur.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 02:37 PM

You would get your white ass beat for calling a really nigga an uncle Tom, Utah.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Oh and just to clear things up...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Uncle%20Tom

Acting like it's a racial slur is as about as dishonest as acting like 'white trash' is a racial slur.

You actually can’t say it around black people where I live

I’m not trying to dis you but it is like that

Also it misrepresents the character in the novel

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

does the employer deduct the overhead and then divide the surplus to the workers

of course not

they take the majority of the value added from the worker

A CEO should not be allowed to make more than three times what his lowliest employee makes. It’s up into thousands of times now.

That chair example was incredibly charitable (no trollheart) to the entrepreneur but he made the simple point people fail to understand

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

it's completely irrelevant what the chair is worth

assuming the chair is now worth more than what the materials were worth there is a value added

yeh it's worth more cause you can sit on it now. Like I said labor has a inherent pragmatic value. That doesn't necessarilymean your labor is worth the trial value a retailer can get for it. Because they are bringing something to the table there as well. Or else you could sell it on the side for the same amount of money.

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the question is whether the worker is entitled to the value added

the fact that the workers can be replaced is also irrelevant, someone ends up doing the labor or there is no value added

it's not irrelevant at all. The point is that if you refuse your labor, the chair can still be made without you. You're trying to get paid based on the very concept of labor, which you have no copyright on.

Coincidentally enough, I'm at work and wasting too much time on this ATM. Thankfully I work for the state so my work inherently generates no profit as it is. Nonetheless, I'll catch up with you gents later.

07-31-2019, 02:32 PM	#2465 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Not even close. I wasn't even born yet. And I'm not even married to capitalism. But the reality is low skilled workers are worth Jack **** and will soon be replaced with robots. That's why we need UBI, or a mass culling. Take your pick.

07-31-2019, 02:37 PM	#2467 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	You would get your white ass beat for calling a really nigga an uncle Tom, Utah.