Political Discussions for "Adults"

Lucem Ferre · 07-31-2019, 11:05 AM

I'm convinced that we could never truly abolish capitalism until we abolish the competitive nature of the global economy and that we will never see that happen in our life times.

I'm also very sleep deprived.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Bernie's slogan should be

Free stuff! Work sucks!

On the real though work wouldn’t be so sucky if you were allowed to share in the prosperity. Work sucks when you’re just another commodity. Work would be fine if you were allowed to take rightful ownership of what you do. Take when I was prepping fish. It’s hard to believe but the fish I prepped alone made the restaurant over $10,000 a day in PROFIT (not net but over the bulk cost of the fish). One butterflied steak of mahi was $20 on the plate. They cost the restaurant like two bucks a piece frozen. I thawed them and butterflied them then the line cook baked or grilled it and plated it. The waitres served it. We went through 40 lbs a day. That $1600 in JUST MAHI (dolphin fish). I also did 7 other items. If it were a collective democratic cooperative after ALL expenses $500 a day would’ve still been a lowball. That’s over $100,000 on a 4 day week. Think about it. There’s no ****ing excuse for people making $70-$100 bucks a day (or less). It’s ****ing madness.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I'm convinced that we could never truly abolish capitalism until we abolish the competitive nature of the global economy and that we will never see that happen in our life times.

I'm also very sleep deprived.

You’re right. We can’t. But we can’t carry on like this either. Something’s gonna give. Class war, economic collapse, environmental disaster- full disengagement from the populace - this ain’t going nowhere good. We better figure something out.

Communism: One More Try

Get at me with the better plan

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I think it's inevitable we get it actually

I mean within the next 10-12 years

I think we will get single payer eventually too. It's just a long shot right now. If a Democrat wins 2020 I will be shocked they manage to pass that through Congress. Especially Bernie Sanders.

Single payer polls well with Americans but the polls go down significantly when you remind them that taxes will probably go up. People want free **** and they don't want any sacrifice for it.

Adding the prospect of banning private insurance will just make it that much more unpopular and could potentially hurt the level of healthcare available rather than help it. There are rich.people who come here from places with single payer just to have the top surgians etc work on them.

It could also be ruled unconstitutional. It's akin to trying to ban private school so that public schools are improved. Americans don't like to be told what to do with their money.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I can’t believe Gay Pete is against that ****. It’s a no brainer. School should be free. It’s good for society for people to know ****.

I’ll tell you a little secret. I got a pretty damn good score on the GRE. They should give me free tuition and a meal plan and train me for the Green New Deal. I test out as having the aptitude. I’m smart!

I thought you were anti school?

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 11:55 AM

I think ultimately though it's like elph said, in countries where they have single payer and private healthcare, most people stick with the govt plan so private insurance is inevitably rendered almost irrelevant for all but a few rich people. So I really believe the question of whether to ban it is a distraction invented by the media to make single payer seem undesirable.

Lucem Ferre · 07-31-2019, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

You’re right. We can’t. But we can’t carry on like this either. Something’s gonna give. Class war, economic collapse, environmental disaster- full disengagement from the populace - this ain’t going nowhere good. We better figure something out.

Communism: One More Try

Get at me with the better plan

If I had a plan better than voting I'd share it.

Well, how about treating angry white people like humans and trying to educate them from the misinformation the Wilks brothers pay Prager U to scare them into fascism with. Getting everybody on the same page is important.

Edit: "Hey, I understand your concerns but let me explain to you how Steven Crowder is wrong when he tells you that the Nazis are socialists." works better than "Nazis aren't socialists you ****ing fascist retard!"

The Batlord · 07-31-2019, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

On the real though work wouldn’t be so sucky if you were allowed to share in the prosperity. Work sucks when you’re just another commodity. Work would be fine if you were allowed to take rightful ownership of what you do. Take when I was prepping fish. It’s hard to believe but the fish I prepped alone made the restaurant over $10,000 a day in PROFIT (not net but over the bulk cost of the fish). One butterflied steak of mahi was $20 on the plate. They cost the restaurant like two bucks a piece frozen. I thawed them and butterflied them then the line cook baked or grilled it and plated it. The waitres served it. We went through 40 lbs a day. That $1600 in JUST MAHI (dolphin fish). I also did 7 other items. If it were a collective democratic cooperative after ALL expenses $500 a day would’ve still been a lowball. That’s over $100,000 on a 4 day week. Think about it. There’s no ****ing excuse for people making $70-$100 bucks a day (or less). It’s ****ing madness.

*whips out calculator*

*beep boop beep*

You would have had to cut 500 mahi steaks to make $10,000 gross profit.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I thought you were anti school?

I don’t hold myself accountable to everyone of my weird idiosyncrasies

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky

*whips out calculator*

*beep boop beep*

You would have had to cut 500 mahi steaks to make $10,000 gross profit.

Yeah. I cut between 80 and 100 everyday. And that was just mahi.

Actually that’s just butterflied steaks because I also did mahi strips for fish tacos and those ****ers sold as quickly as the steaks.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I think ultimately though it's like elph said, in countries where they have single payer and private healthcare, most people stick with the govt plan so private insurance is inevitably rendered almost irrelevant for all but a few rich people. So I really believe the question of whether to ban it is a distraction invented by the media to make single payer seem undesirable.