Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 08-11-2019, 04:41 PM

is skin color race? No

are Italians white? Sort of

are white Africans black? No

Just because it’s not easy to study doesn’t mean it’s impossible.

Parameters and definitions would have to be clarified

OccultHawk · 08-11-2019, 09:43 PM

The left isn’t powerless

~~jwb~~ · 08-11-2019, 10:08 PM

Gender is less of a social construct than race. Gender roles are a key part of virtually any human society. That's not cause society creates them arbitrarily. It's cause our evolutionary pattern gives rise to said gender roles as a sort of pragmatic division of labor.

~~jwb~~ · 08-11-2019, 10:12 PM

Yeah I'm not saying they're absolute

But as a general rule its safe to say usually men are the breadwinners and women are the nurturers, in most societies.

And this means that men and women are selected for based on different criteria, via sexual selection.

Which explains the basic difference between the genders.

~~jwb~~ · 08-11-2019, 10:28 PM

I don't even know what a law of human nature means tbh

It's an adaptive feature of human evolution. We are a pair bonding species, and our children take a long time to raise. This means 2 parents was really a big plus in raising human children, especially during our hunter gatherer years (see: 95+% of our time on this planet) when they had to actually go out and hunt **** to live, something pregnant women and women with young kids straggling along don't excel at.

So the division of labor was an obvious evolutionary advantage. It's not like a rule that anyone is going to enforce. It's just a better way to do things, so the selective pressures push things in that general direction.

~~jwb~~ · 08-12-2019, 04:30 AM

Sure but the context we evolved in was as hunter gatherers.

So if gender is basically the personality traits that become associated with men vs women, it's because sexual selection has largely selected for different traits in men vs women. I.E. what women typically looked for in a mate differs from what men looked for.

Even most trans people generally fall into these gender roles, they just try to adopt the roles of the sex they wish they were.

~~jwb~~ · 08-12-2019, 12:45 PM

I gotta be honest the whole 70+ genders thing seems like a bit much to me.

I think we should limit it to 5 genders. You got your m, f, mtf, ftm, and then you got what I call your "wildcards."

~~jwb~~ · 08-12-2019, 01:05 PM

Funny, you never asked me

OccultHawk · 08-12-2019, 06:30 AM

Is it even a scientific certainty that the human brain has made any evolutionary jumps since we reached our current anatomically modern condition?

~~jwb~~ · 08-12-2019, 06:53 AM

I would think not, the one hand not enough time has passed. And on the other hand civilization disrupts the patterns of sexual selection.

08-11-2019, 04:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	is skin color race? No are Italians white? Sort of are white Africans black? No Just because it’s not easy to study doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Parameters and definitions would have to be clarified __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

08-11-2019, 09:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	The left isn’t powerless __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

08-12-2019, 06:30 AM	#9 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Is it even a scientific certainty that the human brain has made any evolutionary jumps since we reached our current anatomically modern condition? __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

08-11-2019, 10:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Gender is less of a social construct than race. Gender roles are a key part of virtually any human society. That's not cause society creates them arbitrarily. It's cause our evolutionary pattern gives rise to said gender roles as a sort of pragmatic division of labor.

08-11-2019, 10:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Yeah I'm not saying they're absolute But as a general rule its safe to say usually men are the breadwinners and women are the nurturers, in most societies. And this means that men and women are selected for based on different criteria, via sexual selection. Which explains the basic difference between the genders.

08-11-2019, 10:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I don't even know what a law of human nature means tbh It's an adaptive feature of human evolution. We are a pair bonding species, and our children take a long time to raise. This means 2 parents was really a big plus in raising human children, especially during our hunter gatherer years (see: 95+% of our time on this planet) when they had to actually go out and hunt **** to live, something pregnant women and women with young kids straggling along don't excel at. So the division of labor was an obvious evolutionary advantage. It's not like a rule that anyone is going to enforce. It's just a better way to do things, so the selective pressures push things in that general direction.

08-12-2019, 04:30 AM	#6 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Sure but the context we evolved in was as hunter gatherers. So if gender is basically the personality traits that become associated with men vs women, it's because sexual selection has largely selected for different traits in men vs women. I.E. what women typically looked for in a mate differs from what men looked for. Even most trans people generally fall into these gender roles, they just try to adopt the roles of the sex they wish they were.

08-12-2019, 12:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I gotta be honest the whole 70+ genders thing seems like a bit much to me. I think we should limit it to 5 genders. You got your m, f, mtf, ftm, and then you got what I call your "wildcards."

08-12-2019, 01:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Funny, you never asked me

08-12-2019, 06:53 AM	#10 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I would think not, the one hand not enough time has passed. And on the other hand civilization disrupts the patterns of sexual selection.