Political Discussions for "Adults"

The Batlord · 07-31-2019, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

@ Batlord

That's sorta what I mean though as far as the job market goes, what you have coming to you is what you can force them to give you.

I mean in this case "entitled" is a synonym for "deserving" which gives this issue a moral implication and not simply one of leverage.

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And btw you didn't answer my question. Surprise, surprise.

Because I didn't really read it cause I didn't care.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

is it not obvious he got ripped off?

if the house is directly worth 15k more

some people are happy to get ripped off

so the guy should've paid him 15k instead?

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky

I mean in this case "entitled" is a synonym for "deserving" which gives this issue a moral implication and not simply one of leverage.

Because I didn't really read it cause I didn't care.

then go **** yourself. Can't be bothered to take this seriously if you won't.

The Batlord · 07-31-2019, 05:26 PM

Okay.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 05:37 PM

So what should the home owner have paid him, iyo.

Please just answer and quit dodging.

**Frownland** · 07-31-2019, 05:40 PM

How much did he pay his realtor

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 05:42 PM

That's after he already paid the realtor. It's hypothetical you ****s.

I'll be amazed if anyone actually answers this easy question that is only the set up for my actual point.

mr dave · 07-31-2019, 05:42 PM

I feel stupid (and contagious) for having read the last few pages of this mess.

The house painting example is spot on.

Wage Labourers and Independent Contractors are two very different beasts. Negotiations are a thing. They can happen even if you work a wage (provided you're working above entry level).

The value of the painter's labour (as an IC working an ad hoc job and not hired as a salaried employee) is how much they think their time and effort is worth. The subsequent sale value of the house is irrelevant to the painter unless they're only paid upon the sale of the house - which would be dumb, or maybe just happy.

**Frownland** · 07-31-2019, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

That's after he already paid the realtor. It's hypothetical you ****s.

Well I would argue for a fair cost split for all involved which would include the realtor. A nice paint job probably won't net you an extra $15k if you just drop a for sale by owner sign in your front yard when it's done.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Well I would argue for a fair cost split for all involved which would include the realtor. A nice paint job probably won't net you an extra $15k if you just drop a for sale by owner sign in your front yard when it's done.

You're missing the point. I pulled those numbers out of my ass... But the neighborhoods my dad worked, on the average a house was 300 to 500k. it's not crazy to think a good paint job (which in his case included patterned jobs on the pool deck and drive way) might bump the price up more than 2-3k, which is what he typically charged.

Let's say, by some crazy set of circumstances, the home owner gets an extra 10k when he was only charged 3k. Is that robbery?

No because he probably would've never paid 10k for a paint job. The painter is only due what the home owner will pay him.

And if the home owner is only looking to increase the value of the house, that's completely pointless if they pay the help everything that they gain in equity.

In other words they have to pay them less than they gain, otherwise what is the ****ing point?

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	That's after he already paid the realtor. It's hypothetical you ****s. I'll be amazed if anyone actually answers this easy question that is only the set up for my actual point.