Political Discussions for "Adults"

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

But he doesn’t get it so that can’t be true derp derp

Because the way it is is the only way it can be

No.. Not really

But you guys are using the system we have to derive your labor theory of value

The problem is you aren't properly considering the value of the business. Which is worth a hell of a lot more than the simple overhead.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you're right that is what you get

the argument is that you're being exploited

are you this unimaginative? no offense

I'm willing to imagine people getting more

I'm not convinced by just saying you're entitled to it even when businesses don't need you if they are forced to pay more

Just sounds like baseless wishful thinking. Once again, you're entitled to nothing.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

really it's not that complicated

and no, I get that you don't understand it, but Labor Theory of Value exists Capitalism or no Capitalism

Heh maybe the theory exists but the value of your labor changes based on what the company you are working for can make from it... Which is dependent on the economic system

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 04:09 PM

You guys keep throwing digs my way but I answer every single one of your points without backup and you don't return the favor

I'm not stupid I'm just not another brainwashed Marxist

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 04:23 PM

You're entitled to what you agree to work for. Unionizing might help that rate. I've yet to say anything against unions.

The business owner only has domain cause they are the ones putting up all the capital, taking all the risk, etc. They're entitled to what the business makes minus overhead the same way they're responsible for any losses or debts they accrue.

The Batlord · 07-31-2019, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

You're entitled to what you agree to work for.

Why? Why should I be entitled to get anything for any reason? Why aren't the capitalists entitled to enslave us? Why am I not entitled to more than what I'm getting now?

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky

Why? Why should I be entitled to get anything for any reason? Why aren't the capitalists entitled to enslave us? Why am I not entitled to more than what I'm getting now?

You're entitled to what you agree to work for because that is basically the amount of leverage you bring to the table. At any point if it isn't worth it you can leave. This is all really very simple

If you have a house you want to sell and you hire a guy to paint it for 2 Grand and he's happy with that rate, you're happy with that rate, and it ends up getting you an extra 15k when you sell the house, have you robbed him?

The Batlord · 07-31-2019, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

You're entitled to what you agree to work for because that is basically the amount of leverage you bring to the table. At any point if it isn't worth it you can leave. This is all really very simple

If you have a house you want to sell and you hire a guy to paint it for 2 Grand and he's happy with that rate, you're happy with that rate, and it ends up getting you an extra 15k when you sell the house, have you robbed him?

Why does leverage entitle you to anything? If you have leverage you don't need to be entitled to something, your leverage just gets it for you.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 05:12 PM

@ Batlord

That's sorta what I mean though as far as the job market goes, what you have coming to you is what you can force them to give you.

And btw you didn't answer my question. Surprise, surprise.

@ elph

My dad specifically negotiated contracts with home owners in just this fashion. Either answer the question or don't. It's getting a bit tiring answering all your questions just to have you dodge mine

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 05:16 PM

That's not an answer.

07-31-2019, 04:09 PM	#2214 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	You guys keep throwing digs my way but I answer every single one of your points without backup and you don't return the favor I'm not stupid I'm just not another brainwashed Marxist

07-31-2019, 04:23 PM	#2215 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	You're entitled to what you agree to work for. Unionizing might help that rate. I've yet to say anything against unions. The business owner only has domain cause they are the ones putting up all the capital, taking all the risk, etc. They're entitled to what the business makes minus overhead the same way they're responsible for any losses or debts they accrue.

07-31-2019, 05:12 PM	#2219 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	@ Batlord That's sorta what I mean though as far as the job market goes, what you have coming to you is what you can force them to give you. And btw you didn't answer my question. Surprise, surprise. @ elph My dad specifically negotiated contracts with home owners in just this fashion. Either answer the question or don't. It's getting a bit tiring answering all your questions just to have you dodge mine

07-31-2019, 05:16 PM	#2220 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	That's not an answer.