Political Discussions for "Adults"

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 01:32 PM

Not even close. I wasn't even born yet.

And I'm not even married to capitalism. But the reality is low skilled workers are worth Jack **** and will soon be replaced with robots. That's why we need UBI, or a mass culling. Take your pick.

Lucem Ferre · 07-31-2019, 01:35 PM

Oh and just to clear things up...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Uncle%20Tom

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2 disparaging : a person who is overly subservient to or cooperative with authority

Acting like it's a racial slur is as about as dishonest as acting like 'white trash' is a racial slur.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 01:37 PM

You would get your white ass beat for calling a really nigga an uncle Tom, Utah.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Oh and just to clear things up...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Uncle%20Tom

Acting like it's a racial slur is as about as dishonest as acting like 'white trash' is a racial slur.

You actually can’t say it around black people where I live

I’m not trying to dis you but it is like that

Also it misrepresents the character in the novel

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

does the employer deduct the overhead and then divide the surplus to the workers

of course not

they take the majority of the value added from the worker

A CEO should not be allowed to make more than three times what his lowliest employee makes. It’s up into thousands of times now.

That chair example was incredibly charitable (no trollheart) to the entrepreneur but he made the simple point people fail to understand

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 01:49 PM

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it's completely irrelevant what the chair is worth

assuming the chair is now worth more than what the materials were worth there is a value added

yeh it's worth more cause you can sit on it now. Like I said labor has a inherent pragmatic value. That doesn't necessarilymean your labor is worth the trial value a retailer can get for it. Because they are bringing something to the table there as well. Or else you could sell it on the side for the same amount of money.

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the question is whether the worker is entitled to the value added

the fact that the workers can be replaced is also irrelevant, someone ends up doing the labor or there is no value added

it's not irrelevant at all. The point is that if you refuse your labor, the chair can still be made without you. You're trying to get paid based on the very concept of labor, which you have no copyright on.

Coincidentally enough, I'm at work and wasting too much time on this ATM. Thankfully I work for the state so my work inherently generates no profit as it is. Nonetheless, I'll catch up with you gents later.

Lucem Ferre · 07-31-2019, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

You actually can’t say it around black people where I live

I’m not trying to dis you but it is like that

Also it misrepresents the character in the novel

Have you ever tried it?

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Have you ever tried it?

I know instinctively not to. I called Clarence Thomas Uncle Thomas when talking to a black friend and he laughed and said that’s a good one but he’s a really tight pal. Even then I still felt oblidged to say something about the novel and kind of regretted it.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 02:01 PM

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Just as the example you gave OH

Preciate the nod even if I had to beg for it.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

****in hell

I don't have ownership of my own labor?

practically the entire basis of classical liberalism?

if it's not me who makes the chair, than whoever makes it is still responsible for the value added

you have ownership of your own labor you just don't control what it's worth in dollars

If I'm a lawyer and I offer to get a client off for 5k, and someone else does it for 4k, that doesn't mean I don't own my labor. It means I was outbidded, and I'm not the only lawyer in town.

07-31-2019, 01:32 PM	#2181 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Not even close. I wasn't even born yet. And I'm not even married to capitalism. But the reality is low skilled workers are worth Jack **** and will soon be replaced with robots. That's why we need UBI, or a mass culling. Take your pick.

07-31-2019, 01:37 PM	#2183 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	You would get your white ass beat for calling a really nigga an uncle Tom, Utah.