Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

France doesn't ban private care yet like maybe 1% of the country gets it because the public care is sufficient

Don't quote me on that number

After about twenty years when the insurance and pharmaceutical lobbies have been dead and buried for years something like that might work in America. Right now those greedy bastards need to get Bernied.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

No. Private insurance must be banned. No private care period. They can’t coexist. It has to be illegal to have anything but what the government provides so the rich will demand the government to provide what we need. I get the same deal as Bill Gates or Bill Gates won’t make sure I get what every human being deserves. A person’s wealth has to be completely removed from the equation or it’s going to be the same bull**** forever.

Getting single payer passed at all is a long shot. Adding that to the mix guarantees it won't happen.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Getting single payer passed at all is a long shot. Adding that to the mix guarantees it won't happen.

My mother told me if you’re going to do something do it right.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I see what you're saying

the key either way is to not skip corners on funding

it'll be the same battle against conservatives trying to shiv it that other developed countries have when we eventually get something like the NHS

I’m not any kind of expert on France but I’ve been there. And maybe I’m the kind of person who sees what he wants to see. But I think in France, greed is generally frowned upon as uncouth. Synonymous with gluttony. Even with their creamy food they’re disgusted by our diet and our fat bodies. In Korea and Japan hard work is honored but they don’t equate it necessarily with wealth. The uniquely American national narrative that hard work equals wealth and therefore wealth is always well-deserved is amped up so far that it has become a celebration of greed. Every country is plagued with greed but American greed is the undisputed heavyweight champion. Therefore, as leftists, progressives, socialists, anarchists, whatever the **** we are, when there’s a profit motive where there shouldn’t be like in medicine and prisons and education, as Americans we have to be absolutely exhaustive when making sure there’s not a single ember from the profit motive left when we destroy these institutions because the insane wildfires of capitalism will rise again unless it’s totally ****ing decimated.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 09:36 AM

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I think it's inevitable we get it actually

I mean within the next 10-12 years

Me too. It’s in the air. Glory to God!!! It’s like gay rights was a whiff in the air. Now gay Marines are getting married and licking out each other’s asscracks instead of playing cards like the old days. They’re rimming and teabagging and fisting each other and posting it all Instagram and lining up in formation with **** dripping off their chins and everyone is cheering and waving rainbow flags and they don’t want to leave Afghanistan because they’re having sex with the Taliban six times a day during Ramadan. And nobody is wearing any clothes in Mecca.

It happens so fast.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

taking out student loans right now is like playing the Vegas odds on Bernie getting elected

I want that sweet sweet reimbursement

I can’t believe Gay Pete is against that ****. It’s a no brainer. School should be free. It’s good for society for people to know ****.

I’ll tell you a little secret. I got a pretty damn good score on the GRE. They should give me free tuition and a meal plan and train me for the Green New Deal. I test out as having the aptitude. I’m smart!

Lucem Ferre · 07-31-2019, 10:05 AM

I'm convinced that we could never truly abolish capitalism until we abolish the competitive nature of the global economy and that we will never see that happen in our life times.

I'm also very sleep deprived.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 10:19 AM

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Bernie's slogan should be

Free stuff! Work sucks!

On the real though work wouldn’t be so sucky if you were allowed to share in the prosperity. Work sucks when you’re just another commodity. Work would be fine if you were allowed to take rightful ownership of what you do. Take when I was prepping fish. It’s hard to believe but the fish I prepped alone made the restaurant over $10,000 a day in PROFIT (not net but over the bulk cost of the fish). One butterflied steak of mahi was $20 on the plate. They cost the restaurant like two bucks a piece frozen. I thawed them and butterflied them then the line cook baked or grilled it and plated it. The waitres served it. We went through 40 lbs a day. That $1600 in JUST MAHI (dolphin fish). I also did 7 other items. If it were a collective democratic cooperative after ALL expenses $500 a day would’ve still been a lowball. That’s over $100,000 on a 4 day week. Think about it. There’s no ****ing excuse for people making $70-$100 bucks a day (or less). It’s ****ing madness.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I'm convinced that we could never truly abolish capitalism until we abolish the competitive nature of the global economy and that we will never see that happen in our life times.

I'm also very sleep deprived.

You’re right. We can’t. But we can’t carry on like this either. Something’s gonna give. Class war, economic collapse, environmental disaster- full disengagement from the populace - this ain’t going nowhere good. We better figure something out.

Communism: One More Try

Get at me with the better plan

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I think it's inevitable we get it actually

I mean within the next 10-12 years

I think we will get single payer eventually too. It's just a long shot right now. If a Democrat wins 2020 I will be shocked they manage to pass that through Congress. Especially Bernie Sanders.

Single payer polls well with Americans but the polls go down significantly when you remind them that taxes will probably go up. People want free **** and they don't want any sacrifice for it.

Adding the prospect of banning private insurance will just make it that much more unpopular and could potentially hurt the level of healthcare available rather than help it. There are rich.people who come here from places with single payer just to have the top surgians etc work on them.

It could also be ruled unconstitutional. It's akin to trying to ban private school so that public schools are improved. Americans don't like to be told what to do with their money.