Political Discussions for "Adults"

DwnWthVwls · 07-15-2017, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Right here is where you claim there are alternatives.

All I said right there was I don't take the things our military vets did for granted, I simply do not feel their actions are deserving of discounts.

I think you misunderstood my question or I just worded it poorly.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

You don't think those actions go hand in hand with protecting us?

I guess you think that the only time we should be involved in a war is when it is already too late and they are on our shores.

As already stated, that's so vague I can't even answer it. Possibly yes, in some cases.

It better be damn close to that. Can you give me an example of a war after 1945 that if Americans were not proactively aggressive towards any of our enemies they would have been on our shores or threatening our freedoms?

The Batlord · 07-15-2017, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

As already stated, that's so vague I can't even answer it. Possibly yes, in some cases. It better be damn close to that. Can you give me an example of a war after 1945 that if Americans were not proactively aggressive any of our enemies would have been on our shores or attacking our freedoms?

Not attacking your positions in general, just pointing out that I highly doubt the Nazis or Japanese would have been on our shores. No way they'd be delusional enough to think it would work or at least be worth it. They'd probably just use economic pressure to bring us in line.

OccultHawk · 07-15-2017, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

It's a tough one to say if someone who volunteered for Iraq deserves my respect

I mean they might have been willing to die to protect me even if they're being tricked into a phony war

If I beat up an old lady who doesn't like you will you let me eat free once a year at Golden Corral?

DwnWthVwls · 07-15-2017, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Not attacking your positions in general, just pointing out that I highly doubt the Nazis or Japanese would have been on our shores. No way they'd be delusional enough to think it would work or at least be worth it. They'd probably just use economic pressure to bring us in line.

Which is why I included "or threatening our freedoms", which you pointed out in your previous post about the war of 1812.

I modified it slightly while you were quoting me.

The Batlord · 07-15-2017, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Which is why I included "or threatening our freedoms", which you pointed out in your previous post about the war of 1812

I know, but history is fun.

OccultHawk · 07-15-2017, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Not attacking your positions in general, just pointing out that I highly doubt the Nazis or Japanese would have been on our shores. No way they'd be delusional enough to think it would work or at least be worth it. They'd probably just use economic pressure to bring us in line.

You think Tojo and Hitler would have said alright we conquered Europe and Asia time to apply sanctions on America?

Pet_Sounds · 07-15-2017, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Well it depends on if you want to be entertained or educated. The work phase is assessment and something must be taught before it can be assessed. If students aren't learning during a competent lecture they're either stupid or lazy. Discussions feel nice and look good because there's naturally high engagement. Unless it's free it shouldn't be an equalitarian situation. The professor is being paid supposedly because he knows the content. Unless the students are being formally assessed they should be listening and asking questions only.

Oxford, Cambridge, and other top schools have promoted open discussion/debate for years. It's called "verbal reasoning."

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

As far as I can remember the last war truly defending our country was the War of 1812.

I guess Pearl Harbor doesn't count?

The Batlord · 07-15-2017, 01:59 PM

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You think Tojo and Hitler would have said alright we conquered Europe and Asia time to apply sanctions on America?

I'm not an expert, but no I don't think they would have invaded when they could just make us irrelevant.

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I guess Pearl Harbor doesn't count?

I definitely don't think it was the beginning of a Japanese invasion. They were just trying to set us back so they could seize as much territory and resources as they could before we got back on our feet.

Pet_Sounds · 07-15-2017, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I definitely don't think it was the beginning of a Japanese invasion. They were just trying to set us back so they could seize as much territory and resources as they could before we got back on our feet.

But doesn't defending Hawaii count as "defending your country," even if it wasn't a state at the time?

The Batlord · 07-15-2017, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

But doesn't defending Hawaii count as "defending your country," even if it wasn't a state at the time?

Technically, but there was never a serious threat of Japan encroaching on our territory besides a few pissant islands like the Aleutians and Midway. It was just offense as defense.