Political Discussions for "Adults"

Oriphiel · 05-29-2019, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

There are no trillionaires just yet but I deeply respect the motive behind your post.

I hate to say this because very few people seem capable of visualizing this truth but the truth is there have been horrible disparities ever since the advent of money and private property. We’re always going to be pissing against the wind unless we abolish money and private property altogether. All oppression is a byproduct of those two things.

We’re not just barking up the wrong tree. We’re barking in the wrong forest. The right forest doesn’t even exist. Right now it’s just desert. If you even talk about what actually needs to be done you’ll be written off as a crank.

I disagree. As gross as capitalism can be, I think with the right safeguards, it's still the best option for a country that wants to stay relevant, in terms of science, education, quality of life, medical care, etc. People can have private property while still being protected from extreme corruption and exploitation.

And we can also turn the focus back on renewable energy sources, and finding food and room for everyone. There are billions of us, right? At least some of those billions have to have some ideas. Especially since the average level of intelligence has risen over the years. We're a big, crazy family. We can work this **** out.

It just takes people giving a **** and standing up for themselves, rather than being penned into one of two goofy ass camps. I really do believe that with the proper motivation and inspiration, the average person is intelligent enough to see the truth and take action. Maybe that's why instead of voting, I usually spend my time writing instead. It's infinitely more important than picking one of two poisons, or even dignifying their broken game with a hint of legitimacy.

Maybe in the future, if we can get rid of all the borders and military forces, a sort of global commune might work. Until then, any country that tries something like that will immediately be invaded by Russia. Because Russia truly does not give a ****.

Anteater · 05-29-2019, 05:00 PM

I don't see socialism by itself ever working because power consolidates whether people want it to or not. Money doesn't even have to exist for such a thing to occur.

OccultHawk · 05-29-2019, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

the problem can be addressed without reducing the population most likely

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There are billions of us, right? At least some of those billions have to have some ideas. Especially since the average level of intelligence has risen over the years. We're a big, crazy family. We can work this **** out.

It must be nice being able to know what y’all know and still be able to do the mental gymnastics not to believe it.

DwnWthVwls · 05-29-2019, 05:20 PM

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Oriphiel · 05-29-2019, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

It must be nice being able to know what y’all know and still be able to do the mental gymnastics not to believe it.

Nah. Overpopulation is actually a non-issue. I'll explain later.

Every generation boohoos about overpopulation. Every generation also acts like everything is getting interminably worse. But the truth is that people are getting smarter, living longer, and solving more issues. The internet has connected the masses in a way that nobody could have predicted. Things are getting better, and even a hobgoblin like Trump can't stop it. At most, he's a temporary slump back. We might have to use violence to force him out of office if things get ridiculous, but ultimately he's just the death knell of bipartisan politics. The point where even the staunchest advocates for the system have to admit that the system has failed them. We have a literal clown sitting on the throne. This is what we deserve for becoming complacent, and being tricked into treating politics like sports.

This is the point where people will start to actually challenge both the republicans and the democrats, and the structure of our government in general. Instead of just going along with it like a good little Chula, because true change is hard and messy, it's going to be the American Revolution part two. And, hopefully, a bloodless one.

We'll use the best of capitalism, and the best of socialism. We'll fine tune the system, without resorting to the kind of lazy extremes that edgy college kids think are so clever, like trying to abolish money and private property.

But here. People have already solved the immediate burdens of overpopulation and world hunger for you.

1. Build platform cities over the oceans, starting with recycled oil tankers, but eventually building them from scratch once the process becomes refined. The construction and maintenance of them would stimulate the world economy and provide jobs. And it would make use of the massive amount of space that the oceans take up. And along the surfaces of the buildings, you could set up...

2. Hydroponic farms. We already have them, and they're getting simpler and more affordable every day.

You could also utilize the oodles of free space between the earth and the edge of the atmosphere to build tiered platforms. It might **** up flight plans, and you'd have to improve light refraction technology to make sure that sunlight could still get through, but it'd be a great use of the space.

There. Shazam. As long as we take our time and make sure that the platforms aren't ****ing with the natural environment below, we'll be good. And by the time we run out of space (which will take a long ****ing time, considering that the entire world population right now, which is starting to taper off in most first world countries, can actually fit on a pretty small piece of land if organized efficiently), we'll have the tech to colonize other planets.

But even if you just want to use the natural land, we still have more than enough space for everyone. If we can cut out all of the speculators from the real estate market and reinstate legit rent control, and rethink the way we plan out our housing.

And that's why overpopulation is a non-issue, usually brought up by scared old politicians who, again, want to give people something to be scared about. Anything to distract them from the real problem. A problem that we actually can start to solve.

OccultHawk · 05-29-2019, 07:39 PM

Google “How many [insert large animal] are left in the world”

You talk about “trillionaires” hoarding the money. That’s nothing compared to how we hoard the biomatter as a species. Other large mammals are measured by the thousands and we’re measured in the billions.

The smarter people are the more effectively they can convince themselves of ridiculous **** they want to believe. Over-population denialism is even worse than climate change denialism. It’s also a litmus test issue like free will or evolution. The position that human over-population isn’t THE problem is so blatantly wrong that it doesn’t even merit a platform.

I’m not saying anything else on it because it’s like talking to someone who believes in life after death. There’s no uncertainty for my position. It’s on you to correct your thinking. Y’all aren’t retarded or little children.

Oriphiel · 05-29-2019, 07:53 PM

@Hawk Nah, and we've already explained why.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

There’s no uncertainty for my position. It’s on you to correct your thinking.

AKA, the Chula defense. AKA AKA, the reason we still have anti-vaxxers and flat earthers in 20-****ing-19.

Lucem Ferre · 05-29-2019, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

@Hawk Nah, and we've already explained why.

AKA, the Chula defense. AKA AKA, the reason we still have anti-vaxxers and flat earthers in 20-****ing-19.

Essentially the problem he's addressing isn't over population it's careless consumption and destruction which is actually fixable just not realistically something to expect from greedy humans. Population control is just the easy 'fix' that won't actually fix the problem. Kind of like gun control. It's just a temporary band aid but there's obviously a bigger problem than easy access to guns. In both cases, though, we're expecting more than we're going to get. So the easy option is the most likely to happen. Also, in both cases, your revolution is a much better route to solving the problem. I don't have that much faith in my fellow humans to truly be civil, understanding, caring and have the humility to actually interact with each other with the idea that they could be wrong.

Anteater · 05-29-2019, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mindfulness

Lol Mueller is so full of ****. If he really wanted to recommend impeachment he was fully capable of doing so under no uncertain terms, regardless of what the Justice Department says. He's just a bitch, the worst prosecutor in the world or both.

Neapolitan · 05-29-2019, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Lol Mueller is so full of ****. If he really wanted to recommend impeachment he was fully capable of doing so under no uncertain terms, regardless of what the Justice Department says. He's just a bitch, the worst prosecutor in the world or both.

He is either a **** stirrer trying to fabricate a scandal, or a when-the-****--hits-the-fan diverter, pointing the fan away from Killary Clinton of the Arkancide Institute or Obama bin President. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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