Political Discussions for "Adults"

The Batlord · 07-15-2017, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Teaching grades 1-3 demands real skill. Grades 4-10 is just glorified baby sitting that doesn't demand much of a skill set. It's mostly just a willingness to accept abuse. 11-12 grade only takes real skill if you're teaching AP classes. Now that discussion has replaced the genuine lecture model the only real teachers in college teach hard sciences. Lit, history, psychology, business, political science- it's all garbage at this point. Those professors are frauds.

Hear that, elph? Your money is already halfway down the shit pipe by now.

DwnWthVwls · 07-15-2017, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Here that, elph? Your money is already halfway down the shit pipe by now.

Hear*

The Batlord · 07-15-2017, 12:08 PM

Here deez nuts.

OccultHawk · 07-15-2017, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Lectures are pretty archaic and ineffective though. Discussion and collaborative efforts actually helps people learn.

You learned that from professors who can't lecture.

**Frownland** · 07-15-2017, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

You learned that from professors who can't lecture.

I learned it in a lecture...

Nobody strictly lectures anymore because it is ineffective. Discussion and activities that involve the students alongside lecture is the best approach and the one that is most common. Even in hard sciences if you can believe that. It should be pretty obvious that people will remember things that they were actively involved in.

DwnWthVwls · 07-15-2017, 12:15 PM

I've had some really great lecture classes (world religions and business ethics), and some really terrible discussion classes (persuasive writing), and vice versa.

For discussion classes the quality is heavily determined by the teachers capability of moderating students, not stunting free speech, and remaining objective.

In lecture classes, I found the best ones when the professors were concise, unbiased, and found ways to make boring topics interesting/relatable. Also, when they allowed time for questions and short discussions to be handled throughout the lecture, it often helped reinforce the take away points of the presentation.

OccultHawk · 07-15-2017, 12:34 PM

Well it depends on if you want to be entertained or educated. The work phase is assessment and something must be taught before it can be assessed. If students aren't learning during a competent lecture they're either stupid or lazy. Discussions feel nice and look good because there's naturally high engagement. Unless it's free it shouldn't be an equalitarian situation. The professor is being paid supposedly because he knows the content. Unless the students are being formally assessed they should be listening and asking questions only.

Chula Vista · 07-15-2017, 12:38 PM

Still deeply offended towards the attitudes that the ex-military and elderly shouldn't be assisted.

Firemen and policemen have it pretty good once they retire. (my nephew, and brother in law are firemen and one of my best friends is a cop). The pension plans for those jobs in most cases are pretty damn sweet compared to the VAST majority of most folks. And you can retire a lot earlier and still get full benefits.

Never, ever once attended a lecture. Maybe that's why my input is so obtuse?

DwnWthVwls · 07-15-2017, 12:43 PM

And you can get a free or damn near free education in the military or you can make the military your career.

Chula Vista · 07-15-2017, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

And you can get a free or damn near free education in the military or you can make the military your career.

Or you could have been jammed or suckered into it and just want to get out and have a real life.

Only about 15% of folks who sign up end up being career military.

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Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Still deeply offended towards the attitudes that the ex-military and elderly shouldn't be assisted. Firemen and policemen have it pretty good once they retire. (my nephew, and brother in law are firemen and one of my best friends is a cop). The pension plans for those jobs in most cases are pretty damn sweet compared to the VAST majority of most folks. And you can retire a lot earlier and still get full benefits. Never, ever once attended a lecture. Maybe that's why my input is so obtuse? __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”