Political Discussions for "Adults"

DMBFFF · 02-07-2019, 05:57 PM

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Is this GBOA music video racist?

from a thread of mine in another forum: Is this GBOA music video racist?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaye_Bykers_on_Acid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grebo_(music)

(source-of-sorts)
https://8ch.net/liberty/res/82329.html

I tend to like when they put horns into punk music, but still, the blackface and wigs.

somewhat off-topic:

same song, seriously funkified:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Budd_Dwyer

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He served from 1971 to 1981 as a Republican member of the Pennsylvania State Senate representing the state's 50th district.

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On January 22, 1987, Dwyer called a news conference in the Pennsylvania state capital of Harrisburg where he killed himself in front of the gathered reporters, by shooting himself in the mouth with a .357 Magnum revolver.

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Throughout Dwyer's trial and after his conviction, he maintained that he was not guilty of the charges levied against him, and that he had been framed.

Lucem Ferre · 02-07-2019, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

if it helps your ego you can just chalk it up to not knowing about boring white people music

guitars suck amiright

I think we were arguing the same point. I was just making an ass out of myself for not looking up what CBGB was before arguing. I know the hip hop side, not the punk side. But yeah, gothic post-punk is beckoning me.

DMBFFF · 02-07-2019, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I think we were arguing the same point. I was just making an ass out of myself for not looking up what CBGB was before arguing. I know the hip hop side, not the punk side. But yeah, gothic post-punk is beckoning me.

I figure punk and rap/hip-hop were initially American phenomena, while goth/post-punk initially more British—though one critic I heard years ago described Cleveland's Pare Ubu as "post-punk before there was punk."

U2 was also considered post-punk.

DMBFFF · 02-08-2019, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

U2 blows

I've seen PiL live and half of Bauhaus now =)

the US has gothic post-punk too it's just called death rock

Say what?

Somewhat harsh and not too accurate, but Johnny Lydon is a has-been Angeleno whose musical career essentially petered out sometime in the mid-1980s. Bauhaus/Tones-on-Tails/Love-and-Rockets/Peter-Murphy had a few good songs, but some of that music hasn't aged that well either. I liked Bela Logosi's Dead for several weeks, maybe a few months, and tried a little to like it a few years after that because we all try to be hipsters, I suppose.

U2 started in a small Vatican-dominated country to become one of the most successful bands, perhaps the most successful band, in history. For all the songs I like of the aforementioned, I might name twice as many U2 songs I like (though some are dependent on the mood).

The poetry of Bono's lyrics compares with Cohen or Dylan, while PiLs?

"I could be wrong, I could be right.
I could be black, I could be white."

lame.

"Sleep comes like a drug, in God's Country."

"Don't believe in excess, success is to give.
Don't believe in riches, but you should see where I live."

"Don't believe in the 60s or the Golden Age of Pop,
you glorify the past when your future's dried up."

"Death Rock" sounds like a possible throwaway phrase by a critic maybe living in the 1960s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathrock

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Origins
The earliest influences for some deathrock acts, such as 45 Grave for example, can be traced to the horror-themed novelty rock and roll acts of the late 1950s and early 1960s such as Bobby "Boris" Pickett and Zacherle with "Monster Mash";[11] Screamin' Jay Hawkins with "I Put a Spell on You"; Screaming Lord Sutch & the Savages with "Murder in the Graveyard";[12] and Don Hinson and the Rigormorticians with "Riboflavin-Flavored Non-Carbonated Poly-Unsaturated Blood".[13] These songs used sound effects to create a creepy atmosphere, dealt with taboo subjects (such as cannibalism) in a humorous, often campy manner.

As I understand it, post-punk, as the name implies, came after when a lot of people thought punk was dead, and some of it's branches were referred to as post-punk. Goth likely came a little later—and there's probably some overlap of these styles; and whatever Lucem Ferre is posting about sounds mostly this century.

~~MicShazam~~ · 02-08-2019, 01:17 AM

A comparison could be interesting. You know, to see if there's merit in suggesting U2 has had great lyrics comparatively. You know, instead of a kneejerk dismissal.

DMBFFF · 02-08-2019, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Christian Death was also called Death Rock

45 Grave is 100% a descendent of punk

like I said, basically American Goth

At least for now, I'll take your word for it.

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post-punk is a nebulous term referring to what's really like 10 different spinoffs of punk

some of the artists played right alongside "regular" punk bands and nobody thought of themselves as post punk

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

as for comparing ****ing Bono to John Lydon just lol at you

Yeah: there's really no comparison.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

thanks for a stream of youtube links from the most popular band of all time, no one has heard that music I bet

Pity Lydon hasn't done much since the mid-80s.

He calls Bono "Bozo."

Such a comedian. He should do spoken word—it seems that HR has found it a decent source of income since he too hasn't done much (good) music these past 20-25 years.

He could be wrong, but then again, ............ he could be right.

He could be black, but he could be white.
or
He could be white, but he could be black.

Anger is an energy—save maybe for flagging music careers.

Could Bono win a stare fight against him?

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

A comparison could be interesting. You know, to see if there's merit in suggesting U2 has had great lyrics comparatively. You know, instead of a kneejerk dismissal.

It would likely be a quick comparison.

About 4 years after the Filthy Lucre tour:

Didn't the Sex Pistols have a song called New York City?

Was it consoling after 911?

"In New York I lost it all.
to you and your vices.
Still I'm staying on and figure out,
my mid-life crises."

"See the sun rise over her skin.
Don't change it.
See the sun rise over her skin.
Dawn changes everything.
Everything."

DMBFFF · 02-08-2019, 03:42 AM

Oriphiel · 02-08-2019, 04:29 AM

Every time someone mentions 45 Grave, I ejaculate blood

Mindy · 02-08-2019, 08:31 AM

.... in for the U2 songs......

**Frownland** · 02-08-2019, 08:35 AM

TIL that you're supposed to read PIL's lyrics instead of listening to their music. I've been doing it wrong this whole time, I want a refund on the show I went to.

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~~MicShazam~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Aalborg Posts: 7,634	A comparison could be interesting. You know, to see if there's merit in suggesting U2 has had great lyrics comparatively. You know, instead of a kneejerk dismissal.

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