I'm not advocating for ecoterrorism, I'm horrified at our lack of agency in geopolitics. I mean even if we don't start blowing **** up America will almost certainly give ever more violent power to the police and border Patrol because America knows the destabilization to come via climate change and wants to give our state violence organizations the ability to shoot who needs to be shot to preserve the status quo.

So why not just kill all those government thugs?

So I guess what I'm saying is the people who we should be murdering in the street haven't taken their ultimate form who we should be murdering in the street but the ultimate battle is still here.

I was thinking about how you'd theoretically force China's hand and I dunno tbh. If the CCP are anything like our own domestic Elect class, then they're just gonna take their money and run to space if things got bad enough and leave the rest of the population to rot. Maybe get an army of hackers and target their assets?

Maybe just become a terrorist. I mean it's hard to justify murdering Israeli children when you're gonna lose either way but what are Palestinians supposed to do when the only other option is nothing?

Bruh he literally asked me a question just a few posts ago.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Jerusalem blow up one of these days.

It's always been pretty popular.

Yes, that's true - and on a local scale the damage done to the environment was there to be seen from Day One of the industrial revolution.

Yes, I was scoring a rather petty point there. I think you brought out the literalist in me when you effectively rounded down 15% to zero to suit your argument.

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In Britain, the UN Report was headline news for all of yesterday's newspapers. Here's a good example:

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Amid the alarm, there are some calls for, and even hints of, government action, although, of course, a lot of that outrage will probably disappear by tomorrow.
I use a website that shows me the front page of every major Brit newspaper, so I can report with confidence that not one of them has adopted the Anteater argument, " No point doing anything, because China...", even though, according to his pie chart, Britain is responsible for a mere 1% sliver of global emissions.
The implicit judgement of the British media is that, even at 1% UK versus 30% China, the argument doesn't fly, or, as elphenor puts it:-

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:laughing: Yes, from my reading of history, it's always been too popular for its own good.

Just out of curiosity, would you still be taking this particular stance if they were 70% as opposed to a meager 30%? What if the U.S. was 50% instead of 15%? The general consensus in regards to all these numbers is that the countries that contribute the most to the problem should be taking the initiative in some way to solve the problem moreso than the countries that contribute least. That was the sentiment of the BBC anyway. Other organizations and media outlets have some variation of the same opinion.

And just FYI - regardless of my particular opinion on these subjects, it's pretty much a given that countries like the U.K. are going to try to do what they can to combat this problem. The purpose of that data is to give the international community some idea of priority in regards to who should be doing what. Hence my comment on China's coal use.

see that sounds more like revenge/retribution to me than it does trying to really impact the environment

So the morality concerned is different

I can almost see the revenge argument more .. that if we're going down anyway then might as well make them pay for it. But maybe it's just the way i think about morality but i don't think that's necessarily ethically righteous just more so satisfying to the victims. Think death penalty for murderers/rapists etc

Which is of course distinct from the idea that we are actually going to scare people into doing the right thing. You can make an argument for example that the death penalty doesn't work as a deterrence but that doesn't make the revenge any less sweet. So i guess i do relate to the impulse that it would at least be satisfying to watch the elite taken down. Whether it was done by moral or immoral means.

you're suggesting we are gonna put such a scare into the CCP that they are just gonna run into space? Lol

I never know if you're trolling with this china **** but you must realize all that is gonna happen is another cold war or possibly worse... We are in no position to take on something like that. Especially since we are already in that basic position with Russia and there is a strong possibility that more conflict is coming in the ukraine. We just bailed out of Afghanistan and that country is going right back to the Taliban run terror petri dish that it was in the first place. We failed in Iraq, Syria, Lybia, etc. We already have conflict with China and have limited leverage with even getting them to give us a better trade deal or stop a completely unnecessary genocide... But we are going to scare them into space and save the planet/empire with an army of hacker nerds lol

We're declining as the over extended global super power and if anything China's on the way up. Time to come to terms with that and stop lashing out at our perceived loss in stature.