The Environmental Watchdog MasterThread

Anteater · 08-09-2021, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I read the Der Stürmer article too and it's blatantly false.

Nice try Boris.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54719577

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/eac...-co2-emissions

https://rhg.com/research/chinas-emis...ped-countries/

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you could come to the UN and be taken seriously for one

China's pollution has a lot to do with US consumption practices anyway

you can't divide it into something like "they produce 30%) that's very misleading framing

It isn't misleading. If their population size is the problem, then that's all the more reason for them to be the #1 priority as far as the U.N. is concerned. If the goal is to actually reverse the trends we are seeing in climate change, you need to start with the country producing the most pollution and work your way down. At the same time, the U.S., EU and India should change their consumption practices to accelerate that process.

**Frownland** · 08-09-2021, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Nice try Boris.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54719577

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/eac...-co2-emissions

https://rhg.com/research/chinas-emis...ped-countries/

Way to continually ignore that their emissions are largely derived from american industrial outsourcing.

Say, is this "China" in the room with us right now?

Anteater · 08-09-2021, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Way to continually ignore that their emissions are largely derived from american industrial outsourcing.

Wrong. It's because they burn ****loads of coal and all the construction they do, all of which is domestic.

Changing who the U.S. decides to source from is pointless unless you can change the way that other countries actually produce things. This isn't hard to understand.

Anteater · 08-09-2021, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

the irony

I can stop buying potato chips tomorrow and those potato chip companies will just find someone else to sell to.

**Frownland** · 08-09-2021, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Wrong. It's because they burn ****loads of coal and all the industrial construction for american materials.

It's only possible to do one thing at a time and you have to choose now: remove the broader financial incentivization for environmental destruction to effectively address the issue in a way that can't just be shifted across a border or invade china

I'm well aware of the propaganda but you can repeat it a few more times if you want.

Anteater · 08-09-2021, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I'm well aware of the propaganda but you can repeat it a few more times if you want.

Nice strawman. I clearly said earlier that the U.S. and other countries need to change too. Maybe you just can't read?

**Frownland** · 08-09-2021, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Nice strawman. I made an empty disclaimer that absolves me from my general point. I parroted the right words, where's my cracker?

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Originally Posted by Anteater

If the goal is to actually reverse the trends we are seeing in climate change, you need to start with the country producing the most pollution and work your way down.

=put fully solving the multifaceted issue on the backburner because we gotta invade china real quick

Anteater · 08-09-2021, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

right China could just find someone to replace...the entire United States

They won't, but the EU and India and others could always buy more if the U.S. empire took a nosedive. Their consumption rates are going up after all.

Oh and Frown...learn to code bro. You clearly can't read.

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Originally Posted by Anteater

It isn't misleading. If their population size is the problem, then that's all the more reason for them to be the #1 priority as far as the U.N. is concerned. If the goal is to actually reverse the trends we are seeing in climate change, you need to start with the country producing the most pollution and work your way down. At the same time, the U.S., EU and India should change their consumption practices to accelerate that process.

**Frownland** · 08-09-2021, 10:39 AM

Ok he made the caveat fellas, invading china is now morally consistent with our beliefs.

Anteater · 08-09-2021, 10:41 AM

It is surprisingly satisfying to win in a 2vs1 situation like this.

We could invade China, but it won't solve climate change. I'm glad you remembered that joke though.

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