Anteater

Environmentalists are gonna love this one.

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Lisnaholic

Without the support of OH's outrage about global pollution, the Watchdog that this thread purports to be has been sleeping on the job lately, but even I have been jerked alert by this headline from today's CNN webpage; it's about the possibility of the disruption of the Gulf Stream:-

A Potentially Dire Development For Life On Earth: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/06/w...ntl/index.html

If you have any tendency to worry about the environment, then the state of the world's oceans are of particular concern. To mind my there are three reasons for this:-

i) as others have said, we are more familiar with the surface of the moon than we are with the bottoms of the oceans; the ocean is "mysterious and dark", according to Mr. R. Zimmerman, and news of what happens down there is slow to reach us.
ii) the oceans hold a massive, ungovernable momentum. It's one thing to build a sea wall to stop a local tide at the surface. No one can change what water in unimaginable volumes chooses to do below the surface.
iii) how water holds heat. Anyone who has boiled an egg may have noticed that water takes quite a time to boil. Without going into science that I don't understand, it's because:-
Put the other way, just a small rise in water temp implies a lot of stored heat energy, and that is what we have in our oceans today:-

The quotes above are from NOAA: https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...n-heat-content

This graph is from the EPA:-

Average global sea surface temperature 1880-2020



The graph is for surface temp so things should be less extreme in the currents down below, but that is still a huge quantity of heat that the oceans have already absorbed. Read more here if you feel inclined, and be aware that news reports of forest fires and record land temps are taking, ahem, a very superficial look at climate change.

The EPA graph explained: https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicato...ce-temperature

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DianneW

Needed to read that my friend,
Just an odd thing came up on a quiz show last night, as going by the set up of the programme ..no separation of the contestants it had to be maybe a couple of years old..None the less..Question was since 2016 until the present time what is the percentage of lost Wildlife....6%..29% or 58%


the percentage was a whopping 58% of our Wildlife..guessing they are talking UK wildlife creatures....

That was a real shocker to us....

Lisnaholic

Thanks, Dianne! That was a kind thing to say

Yeah, we are probably right now in the midst of a mass extinction event, of the kind that went so badly for the dinosaurs. That's partly why I don't post in this thread that often. Like a magnet needle pointing North, there is only one conclusion to a conversation here: doom and depression.

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The Batlord

Be honest. Would you condemn ecoterrorists at this point?

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jwb

Like the unabomber or timothy mcveigh? I would. I don't see what said terrorism accomplishes in terms of helping the environment. Especially in this political climate it only seems more likely to prompt a patriot act style overreaction from the state that brings us one step closer to the kind of dystopian police state we already seem to be marching towards.

Frownland

Accelerationism is defo promoted by fascists masquerading as revolutionaries to create what you describe, but McVeigh didn't give a **** about the environment.

Think more along the lines of assassinating oil executives.

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The Batlord

I'm not asking about effectiveness. I'm asking about moral condemnation. I'm sure whatever Apocalypse Now Greenpeace crazy eventually suicide bombs an oil pipeline probably won't accomplish anything, but will I consider them MY enemy? Hell no. I'll hope for the best and see if public opinion pleasantly surprises me.

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J.R.R. Tolkien said it best.

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jwb

effectiveness and moral condemnation are not mutually exclusive to me

If you kill a bunch of innocent people for a good cause that goes nowhere... Then to me yes you are worth condemning.

If you are talking about executing oil ceos like frownland said.. once again you can't separate the consequences from the morality. If said assassination results miraculously in either us course correcting or even just causes no significant backlash while maybe some undesirables get what is coming to them.. them that is more compelling to make me sympathize with the terrorist

But i don't see that happening. I see their actions being used as fuel to justify the state and the powers that be to continue to box us in and treat us as caged animals that need to be contained... So in that sense yeah the terrorist is my enemy cause they are leading to consequences that end up hurting me

It's not like i don't think terror can ever be used for a good cause but it's very difficult to actually implement and have the desired results. Like you can argue 9/11 was possibly the most successful act of terror of all time if your aim is to spread global jihad.

Similarly, if your goal is to spread ethnonationalism then the modern day white supremacist terrorists and their predecessors have also been extremely successful... If white identity is what you value

It just seems like most of the time terrorism is highly effective but only for what i consider morally reprehensible causes which is why i default to condemning it despite the motivation. In cases where the terror might be backed up by causes that i might be more sympathetic to, it serves a function more in maintaining order with an iron fist which in retrospect only ends up tarnishing whatever cause it was that motivated it in the first place.