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Somebody has to clean up. Activists providing gainful employment, everybody wins.

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Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1830624)

The "snake oil" part is his "cure" for AIDS, MS, Graves' Disease, etc. with some potion he states that he's created.
He keeps filing for a patent (I think 5 or 6 times) and lets the time run out for fee processing so he can say that
he's filed patents for his miracle cure (but nothing comes of them of course).

I wonder if his cure would be as effective as his puzzle was impossible to solve.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1830751)

That just sounds like somebody took a few photos on their cellphone and hyped it on Twitter to their conservative buddies.

This is what happened and it happens every year so conversatives can gloat for a little bit directly after but before the start of the clean up effort.

Arguing about clean-up is surely missing a bigger point; that "an estimated 200,000 people" felt badly enough about Trump's plans and attitudes that they devoted a day to protesting the fact:-

Anti-Trump climate change march draws thousands in US - BBC News

A couple of key quotes from the article above:-

The facts:-

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Mr Trump has called climate change a hoax, and has vowed to pull the US out of the Paris Agreement.
In his first 100 days, he has undone several of his predecessor's environmental regulations in the name of boosting American industry and energy.

The protesters:-

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"We're sick and tired of seeing our children die of asthma. We're sick and tired of seeing people with cancer because of coal ash ponds. We're sick and tired of seeing sea-level rise."

"There is no Planet B."

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1831060)

ultimately clean air and water should belong to everyone...

ftfy !

Nobel Laureate in Physics; "Global Warming is Pseudoscience"
Published on Dec 17, 2015

Omg elph how stupid are you?

I heard this happened the same day we were marching.

Trump's EPA has started to scrub climate change data from its website - LA Times

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1831106)

I heard this happened the same day we were marching.

Trump's EPA has started to scrub climate change data from its website - LA Times

^ Yeah, this is such a sinister move that it deserves more publicity than it is currently getting. It's hard to believe that important climate-change data previously available to both scientists and the public is disappearing from the EPA website.

When Trump appointed Pruitt as the EPA administrator it was tantamount to putting the fox in charge of the hen-house, the wolf in charge of the sheep.

When I wrote "climate change is by definition a dynamic process, so periodic updates are fundamental to informed discussion" in the OP, nobody contested such an innocuous statement, but it's clear that Pruitt does not approve of informed discussion. His policy is to conceal the facts and muzzle the Environmental Protection Agency. It's there in the title, what the agency should be doing, but Pruitt is eviscerating it from within, hoping to replace open, factual debate with censorship and obfuscation.
Without wanting to overdramatise, I see it as an anti-democratic step, a feint to conceal Trump's dagger blows to the heart of the environment.
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1831095)

Had to search the description so I could find the guy

Ivar Giaeven

resigned from the APS over disagreement on climate change

formed Cato Institute

interestingly accepted money from Exon Mobile, Koch Brothers, American Petroleum Institute, and Phillip Morris (he's also claimed 2nd hand smoke has no bad health effects super convenient for this tobacco company) for the Cato Institute.

I just sort of refuse to believe a nobel Laureate in Physics thinks half a day on Google was significant research (watch the lecture he says this right out)

I'm guessing he's laughing all the way to the bank but it could just be an ideological motivation

Consider the taking money from tobacco and concluding 2nd hand smoke is A OK

^ Thanks for that piece of "investigative journalism" elphenor! :thumb:

In fact, the debate about the reality of global warming is all but over. According to Wikipedia:-

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The global warming controversy concerns the public debate over whether global warming is occurring, how much has occurred in modern times, what has caused it, what its effects will be, whether any action should be taken to curb it, and if so what that action should be. In the scientific literature, there is a strong consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in recent decades and that the trend is caused by human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases. No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view, though a few organizations with members in extractive industries hold non-committal positions. Disputes over the key scientific facts of global warming are more prevalent in the media than in the scientific literature, where such issues are treated as resolved, and such disputes are more prevalent in the United States than globally.

And this is the wiki graph of mean temp increases over the last 40 years which justifies that certainty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global...re_Anomaly.svg

@ Neapolitan: My hope with this thread was to highlight recent developments in the struggle to protect our the environment, or to warn of new dangers to the environment. I'm sorry to say this as I consider you a good friend on MB, but your posts from the scientific fringe still disputing the fact of global warming might be more appropriate in one of these threads:- http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...t-fiction.html http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...g-swindle.html
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Here's a sad story about Lulu the whale, who never had a baby. :(
It illustrates one of the most worrying things about pollution; that it often goes unnoticed for decades, and then someone furthur down the line ends up paying the price:

'Shocking' levels of PCB chemicals in UK killer whale Lulu - BBC News

https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/...2_87513250.jpg

..................Bad luck, Lulu. Although you didn't know it, you never had a chance.

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1831178)

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^ Yeah, this is such a sinister move that it deserves more publicity than it is currently getting. It's hard to believe that important climate-change data previously available to both scientists and the public is disappearing from the EPA website.

When Trump appointed Pruitt as the EPA administrator it was tantamount to putting the fox in charge of the hen-house, the wolf in charge of the sheep.

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Trump's entire cabin picks are so ill fitted or inexperienced foe their roles that they seem to be appointed to destroy the departments they were appointed to. Then he can turn around and say how inefficient government is and that's why we need to limit its role.