jwb

@ Lisna

I won't lie I'm not familiar with your example. But my main point is they aren't going to actually fix the problem of climate change. In fact, conservation in general won't fix it.

Only changing the energy infrastructure in addition to carbon trapping technology can fix it.

At least, that is assuming some of the warnings climate scientists are giving are accurate.

Yeah I don't care about the oil companies. But the reasons I am not so crazy about carbon taxes has nothing to do with protecting them. If anything, a true renewable alternative would threaten them far more than any tax could.

Don't think I don't notice that.

The Batlord

How do you threaten them when they have so much money and clout?

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jwb

Like I said a Manhatten Project type deal. All it takes is scientists + funding. If that's truly impossible in this country at this point then we better pray China sees the massive opportunity to become the developers of the new energy standard and let them finally surpass us once and for all.

The Batlord

A Manhattan Project for renewable energy to save the planet from global warming? Yeah let's hope China saves us. I'm with OH. We're already ****ed and no matter how ****ed we are or are not world governments are politically incapable of shifting to save the human race. This is why I say that the human race is not intellectually capable of governing itself at this population, social, and economic level. It's simply too much for the human mind to handle. We can only hope to experience problems that aren't so big that it would require the level of flexibility needed to deal with something like climate change.

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jwb

Obviously it's a tall order. The sad thing is, when the threat comes from the Nazis or the Soviets we always rise to the occasion. We did more than what would be required to develop sound renewable energy. Yet since the threat is abstract and not at the end of a bad guys gun, we can't do it?

It's very possible we won't. I just wish that at least the people who are supposedly concerned about climate change (Democrats) would try this approach. Instead they brag about "taking the fossil fuel companies to task" and "joining the Paris accords." Bunch of pandering, mindless scum.

The Batlord

Uh... yeah. That's exactly it. The Nazis and Soviets were threats that we could shoot, or talk about and plan about shooting. Hitting things with sticks is humanity's bread and butter. Abstract threats are confusing and don't have obvious solutions. We can't even deal with our pattern recognition instincts that make us like "music" also making us think that all powerful deities exist.

Yeah, Democrats are ****. Welcome to the club. Congrats on grasping that obvious thing.

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jwb

I wasn't saying it was some sort of revelation. It's just an obvious solution we continue to ignore for frustrating reasons. So **** trying to come up with something else, and **** bull**** talk about taking it to the fossil fuel industry.

jwb

heh.. You're going to hurt them enough through taxes to minimize their lobby before you have an energy replacement?

That's far more far fetched than just funding either the DOD or NASA to work on it.

jwb

I agree in principle

Developing alternative energy is taking them on

Carbon taxes is putting up a toll booth the way to work

Frownland

If we reduce the cost of thrust, we can make space our new trash can and that solves the issue of unusable nuclear waste.

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