The Environmental Watchdog MasterThread

Lisnaholic · 02-03-2019, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lilja

That is my whole point (or one of them). Polls change nothing. People can talk, talk or type all they want but most peoples actions change nothing most just go around their day to day lives changing nothing about them. It is like all the Trump threads. People can say all they want about how horrible he is but in the end, these same people just talk alot or type alot without doing a darn thing. That's it. Then they go back to their day to day existence.

^ MB is a music forum, and people post here for the pleasure they get out of sharing ideas. People who post in the Trump thread want to talk about Trump; just because they are not fomenting social change doesn't invalidate the discussion. It's like when I post in a Beatles vs Stones thread, I don't expect that the Beatles will somehow defeat the Stones in real life.

None the less, discussion can lead to people revising their opinions. That is something I have personally experienced and I've seen it happen to others on MB. What is more, neither you nor I know how far the ideas brought up here affect members' conduct irl, so why assume, without evidence, people aren't "doing a darn thing" ?

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Sure the children will have a worse existence then the previous one. But that is usually not what pops into people's heads when they choose to buy imported foods which leave massive carbon footprints or plastic bags and the like. But it was cheap.

^ Of course price is enormously important to consumers, but there are also people who make choices based on a concern for the environment. I'd like to mention them too, to get some balance.

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Originally Posted by Lilja

That is just how people are. ..... But it made no difference.

It is just easier to accept that then fight it.

....But that is just how it is.

^ I don't agree with this fatalistic attitude, and I'm not on board with your facile dismissal of the problems that our children will face either. I subscribe more to this notion:

We don't inherit the world from our ancestors. We have it on loan from our children.

I'm sorry that you have shifted from your earlier position of concern for the environment and are now bragging about the joys of conspicuous materialism instead. That's quite a turn around.

Zhanteimi · 02-03-2019, 08:05 AM

I ride my bicycle to work every day. I don't own a car by choice. I recycle everything I can: paper, plastic, metal, cardboard, batteries, computer parts. I buy all clothes (except underwear and socks) secondhand. I always take a canvas bag with me grocery shopping, never taking plastic or paper bags from the supermarkets.

And although I've heard that the individual consumer's impact is very small because of factory farming and industrialism and whatnot, I'm still going to carry on doing what I'm doing.

Lisnaholic · 02-03-2019, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Zhanteimi

I ride my bicycle to work every day. I don't own a car by choice. I recycle everything I can: paper, plastic, metal, cardboard, batteries, computer parts. I buy all clothes (except underwear and socks) secondhand. I always take a canvas bag with me grocery shopping, never taking plastic or paper bags from the supermarkets.

^ Good for you, Zhanteimi ! I'm delighted to hear that I'm not alone in taking some personal responsibility for my impact on the environment. I don't go as far as you, I'm afraid, because after five car-less decades I finally succumbed to the convenience of a car to take my son to school, but I have kept it to a very modest two-door urban run-around. At a rough estimate, my clothes are prob 50% second hand or hand-me-downs, and my bookcases are re-purposed orange crates.

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And although I've heard that the individual consumer's impact is very small because of factory farming and industrialism and whatnot, I'm still going to carry on doing what I'm doing.

^ Absolutely times two on this

OccultHawk · 02-03-2019, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Zhanteimi

I ride my bicycle to work every day. I don't own a car by choice. I recycle everything I can: paper, plastic, metal, cardboard, batteries, computer parts. I buy all clothes (except underwear and socks) secondhand. I always take a canvas bag with me grocery shopping, never taking plastic or paper bags from the supermarkets.

And although I've heard that the individual consumer's impact is very small because of factory farming and industrialism and whatnot, I'm still going to carry on doing what I'm doing.

In Japan, not owning a car is a pretty easy “choice”

The Batlord · 02-03-2019, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Zhanteimi

I ride my bicycle to work every day. I don't own a car by choice. I recycle everything I can: paper, plastic, metal, cardboard, batteries, computer parts. I buy all clothes (except underwear and socks) secondhand. I always take a canvas bag with me grocery shopping, never taking plastic or paper bags from the supermarkets.

And although I've heard that the individual consumer's impact is very small because of factory farming and industrialism and whatnot, I'm still going to carry on doing what I'm doing.

You have too many ****ing kids though.

OccultHawk · 02-03-2019, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

You have too many ****ing kids though.

Not breeding is the only real environmentalism

Lisnaholic · 02-03-2019, 12:27 PM

^ Those two comments are a bit harsh imo, though I agree that we urgently need to reduce current birthrates. If every couple had max one or two kids, the population would stabilize or halve in a generation, right?

OccultHawk · 02-03-2019, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

^ Those two comments are a bit harsh imo, though I agree that we urgently need to reduce current birthrates. If every couple had max one or two kids, the population would stabilize or halve in a generation, right?

Depends on how long mother****ers live

Lisnaholic · 02-03-2019, 01:01 PM

That's true - all the scientific advances that hint at postponing aging are greeted as triumphs by the media, but there is the downside of clogging up the job and housing market with old folks. Perhaps some of us need to spend more time coming to terms with our mortality than trying to postpone that last grim day that we all arrive at sometime.

OccultHawk · 02-03-2019, 01:04 PM

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02-03-2019, 08:05 AM	#342 (permalink)
Zhanteimi Mord Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Tokyo Posts: 4,873	I ride my bicycle to work every day. I don't own a car by choice. I recycle everything I can: paper, plastic, metal, cardboard, batteries, computer parts. I buy all clothes (except underwear and socks) secondhand. I always take a canvas bag with me grocery shopping, never taking plastic or paper bags from the supermarkets. And although I've heard that the individual consumer's impact is very small because of factory farming and industrialism and whatnot, I'm still going to carry on doing what I'm doing. __________________ Zhanteimi LetsTalkMusic

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Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	^ Those two comments are a bit harsh imo, though I agree that we urgently need to reduce current birthrates. If every couple had max one or two kids, the population would stabilize or halve in a generation, right? __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

02-03-2019, 01:01 PM	#349 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	That's true - all the scientific advances that hint at postponing aging are greeted as triumphs by the media, but there is the downside of clogging up the job and housing market with old folks. Perhaps some of us need to spend more time coming to terms with our mortality than trying to postpone that last grim day that we all arrive at sometime. __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

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