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Old 12-02-2018, 01:08 PM   #261 (permalink)
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That last video about speed running was I'm sure interesting to people who care about speed running but I am not one of those people so he needs to make a new video pronto.
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Old 12-02-2018, 01:13 PM   #262 (permalink)
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That last video about speed running was I'm sure interesting to people who care about speed running but I am not one of those people so he needs to make a new video pronto.
Yeah I can see what you mean. I do speedruns casually myself, so I did like the video.


I don't watch his second channel because streaming videos are mostly a waste of time imo, but this compilation video from a stream is funny enough. That game... wtf
Maybe this could help you pass the time until he finally gets his fingers out and makes a new video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5C6ATRaO5s

EDIT: One more older video from that channel. Comedy gold in parts at least.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3euGbJoFo8
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Old 12-02-2018, 03:47 PM   #263 (permalink)
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^ That video does a good job of presenting info in an entertaining way: I liked the conversations in the bath: "Why is racist paranoia so compelling to you when all the climate science in the world just bounces off your skull?".
I thought it was a mistake to show the sea as the villain though: surely much better to have pointed the finger at the "100 companies that produce 70% of carbon emissions"
Be real though. Do you think at this point with the current global climate of politics and (lack of) commitment it would be more productive to be politically active or do you think it would be more in your best interest to start stockpiling perishable foods and weapons? Like for actual real in a way you'd be willing to bet large sums of money on. Assuming you live another hundred years do you really think that however the world happens to be given reasonable likelihood that your efforts would be more productive trying to save the world or trying to save yourself?
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Old 12-03-2018, 08:15 AM   #264 (permalink)
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Thanks for your replies, D&G, and for considering what I've posted seriously. I'll try to answer your questions as I understand them, piece by piece:-

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Does science™ ever come out with press releases that say that capitalism is gonna have to get gutted for eating less meat to be anything more than pissing in the wind?
^ Yeah, it probably doesn't, although it does accuse commercial companies for messing up the planet.

Is eating less meat pissing in the wind? Firstly, the beef on your plate has generated approx five times as much greenhouse gas as the same serving of chicken, so even trading down the red meat ladder has an impact. Of course, it's still a drop in the ocean; no measurable difference if one guy does it, but my argument, from the inception of this thread is this:-
Decades of drops in the ocean from millions of people have contributed to the present environmental crisis so by the same logic, millions of drops in the ocean can slow down or halt the problems.
[ Bonus points: if you swap from beef to chicken, and become a tedious dinner guest by declaiming how you're doing it for the planet, then maybe someone else at the table will be impressed enough to copy you and spread the word. If that model applies, you're not so much a drop in the ocean, you're the domino that starts a whole chain of collapsing dominoes.]
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The other side is already not listening so you might as well give them some hardcore anti-capitalism to froth over. At least then Fox News might pay attention.
^ Some Fox news frothing might be fun for us to see, but would be counter-productive if it makes people think that scientists are out to overturn capitalism. Plus of course, I don't think that's the role or intention of scientists. They usually talk about modifying existing systems/habits, which scares people enough already. Why play into the hands of nay-sayers by adopting a more controvertial stance against capitalism (that for all I know they don't believe in anyway)?

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Be real though. Do you think at this point with the current global climate of politics and (lack of) commitment it would be more productive to be politically active or do you think it would be more in your best interest to start stockpiling perishable foods and weapons? Like for actual real in a way you'd be willing to bet large sums of money on.
^ To be honest, I don't do either of those things. Preaching on MB is prob the most politically active thing I've ever done. Luckily though, I think it's still way too early to start stockpiling. That's a ghastly decision that my son or grandchild may have to make one day, though I truly hope not.

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Assuming you live another hundred years do you really think that however the world happens to be given reasonable likelihood that your efforts would be more productive trying to save the world or trying to save yourself?
^ Not sure that it'll ever come to any dramatic dilemma like that. That kind of either/or scenario sounds like the stuff of Hollywood to me; my answer would be a wishy-washy, "Why not do a little of both?"

I know that when we see stats or images of China belching out a zillion tons of CO2 per second, it seems pointless to try to change things, but to finish with two rather grandious quotes:
"No Home But The Struggle" i.e. the human condition may not be Struggle, Win, Enjoy. It may be that struggling is all we do even if Win never arrives. And of course, that old favourite, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."

( I know you work in the fast-food industry, D&G, so I imagine it's natural to have a dismissive view of the kind of petty optimism I'm suggesting. I've spent hours in fast-food restaurants and I've seen the quantities of meat and plastic that get consumed there, which is enough to make anyone despair of any environmental progress. Absolutely none of my business, of course, so feel free to be rude, but have you ever considered telling your employees, "Recommend customers try the chicken option as less environmentally damaging" or "Save every serviette you can." ? Maybe you'd go home at the end of the day with a little taste of that smug glow that members of Greenpeace must feel. )
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If you've ever wondered how the end of the world will be announced, today's front page of the Daily Mirror gives you a clue:-



For The Daily Star though, the real headline story is Girl Takes Shower In Bikini:-

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^ That's such a sad clip, as most of us know how a broken plastic bucket is unwieldy and more rigid than you expect. Your clip also features the paternal erudite voice of David Attenborough himself. His documentaries, always lauded for their photography, were also demonstrations of the art of the voice-over. DA wrote and spoke them himself and they would always be clear and informative, explaining and linking together his sequence of ideas and images.

Nowadays, especially on Netflix, they too often opt for much cheaper methods of documentary: the fly-on-the-wall or the let-the-witness-tell-the-story methods, which dispense with the pre-written voice-over altogether. What this delivers is a bunch of disjointed extemporizations by frequently inarticulate people. For example, a while back I started watching a documentary about Lady Gaga as I thought it'd be interesting to learn about her life and development, etc. But without any preamble, the "documentary" starts with LG being filmed in her kitchen as she feeds her dogs and talks about nothing of interest at all. Uhhg!
(* calms down, and climbs down from soapbox*)
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Of all the depressing links that have been posted in this thread, this one is perhaps the worst so far. It calmly states what scientists are observing in Greenland: that every month vast quantities of ice are calving off glaciers of just melting away. It's a process which is out of control and quite possibly unstoppable already:- https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/06/w...wxc/index.html

At least the dinosaurs, as they looked up at the darkening sky that followed on from the Chicxulub meteor strike - at least they could say to themselves, "Well, there's no way we could have prevented this." As humans, we won't have that grim consolation. We have either caused or made worse the planetary disaster that is global warming and our politicians are letting us down. They are not courageous enough to confront the true implications of the problem or make the unpopular decisions that could protect our futures.

At best, some struggle to implement the Paris Agreement, at worst, they are actively promoting policies that are accelerating the problem. Chief among the villains are the Chinese, with massive, unregulated industrial pollution, and America under the Republicans, who are determined to take retrograde steps for quick profit and don't care if their (or our) grandchildren pick up the tab.

This present dire situation has made me return to a clip I posted a while back:-

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