The Environmental Watchdog MasterThread

**Frownland** · 12-11-2017, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Did the fire just burn a giant penis onto California?

I can tell what your mind is on today because that's one hell of a stretch. Wildfires are more of an ******* thing anyway.

Lisnaholic · 05-23-2018, 12:15 PM

This thread, after an early focus on Global Warming, hasn't seen much action lately, but just in case you don't have enough to worry about, there's this:-

https://www.musicbanter.com/lounge/7...tion-zone.html

and this:-

and currently in the news, this:-

^ The situation in Hawaii is not good, but at least the scare story that the newly-opening rifts are going to join up and cause a massive slump like La Palma seem to be unjustified, according to this article:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilina_Slump

The Batlord · 05-23-2018, 12:18 PM

So I guess the volcano might Kilauea too much-a people?

Lisnaholic · 05-23-2018, 12:36 PM

^ That's quick work! You' re inB4 Trollheart.

Lisnaholic · 05-31-2018, 10:46 PM

One risk of ignoring opposition criticism or the voice of the common people is What if they turn out to've been right all along? That may be behind the tragic story of the disappearing Aral Sea, when Russia chose cotton over fish and ignored local feedback.

Now "an area of water the size of Ireland" has been lost, and that's not the last of their problems...

Planting a forest on the Aral's dried-out seabed - BBC News

DwnWthVwls · 06-01-2018, 03:13 PM

Pascal's Wager.. yuck.

Sad, but I like the pictures. It has a cool aesthetic.

Lisnaholic · 06-02-2018, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Pascal's Wager.. yuck.

Sad, but I like the pictures. It has a cool aesthetic.

^ Yes the pictures are very good, especially the old boats.

When I saw the word "forest" in the title I had visions of some lush Amazonian jungle: the real solution is rather less exciting unfortunately. Never heard of Saxaul trees before, so I looked 'em up. They can support bird life and...

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The plant's extensive root system is useful for stabilising sandy soils. The wood is durable and heavy and is used in general carpentry. As it burns well and gives a good heat it is used as a fuel.

^ Not particularly inspiring, but plenty better than having toxic dust killing your children.
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I opened this thread in hopes of putting all our environmental observations in one place. Well, what an unruly bunch we are!

The hottest environmental debate atm is over in another thread, but here's the link to it to keep things tidy:

https://www.musicbanter.com/current-...read-1213.html

The Batlord · 06-02-2018, 12:53 PM

Where's Swamp Thing when you need him?

Lisnaholic · 06-11-2018, 09:44 PM

Here's a new warning sign that all is not well with the environment:-

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-44418849

Bottom line: over the last twelve years, trees that have been healthy for thousands of years have begun dying or deteriorating.

OccultHawk · 06-12-2018, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Here's a new warning sign that all is not well with the environment:-

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-44418849

Bottom line: over the last twelve years, trees that have been healthy for thousands of years have begun dying or deteriorating.

I saw this story this morning

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Unexpectedly, they found that eight of the 13 oldest and five of the six largest baobabs had either completely died or had their oldest parts collapse.

It’s such a tiny numbers of trees it occurred to me that this could be intentional murder. Some of the oldest trees in the world are in California but they keep the locations secret because there are actually people who want to be the jerkoff that kills (or maims) an important tree.

https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wi...ees/methuselah

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Methuselah
Until 2013, Methuselah, an ancient bristlecone pine was the oldest known non-clonal organism on Earth. While Methuselah still stands as of 2016 at the ripe old age of 4,848 in the White Mountains of California, in Inyo National Forest, another bristlecone pine in the area was discovered to be over 5,000 years old. Methuselah and its unnamed senior pine's exact locations are kept a close secret in order to protect them. You can still visit the grove where Methuselah hides, but you'll have to guess at which tree it is. Could this one be it?

Also, the impact of global warming on vector born diseases is a horrifying concern

http://www.who.int/bulletin/archives/78(9)1136.pdf

Most of the studies are on diseases that directly impact humans especially malaria but any disease that kills anything carried in a living vector is a concern. The range of inhabitability increases, the opportunity to reproduce increases, the vectors and the diseases have more time and opportunity to evolve into something even more insidious. And before anyone orgasms with the opportunity to correct me I understand this is just a potential outcome for any disease and vector. None-the-less, some outcomes are certain to be unpleasant for some people (and that’s at a minimum)

It could be pollution in the soil, the ground water, the rain, heat, disease

And yes, it could be just another biological entity winning an evolutionary battle without any influence by mankind at all (but I doubt it)

Those are incredibly beautiful trees. Sad story.

05-23-2018, 12:15 PM	#162 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	This thread, after an early focus on Global Warming, hasn't seen much action lately, but just in case you don't have enough to worry about, there's this:- https://www.musicbanter.com/lounge/7...tion-zone.html and this:- and currently in the news, this:- ^ The situation in Hawaii is not good, but at least the scare story that the newly-opening rifts are going to join up and cause a massive slump like La Palma seem to be unjustified, according to this article:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilina_Slump __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

05-23-2018, 12:36 PM	#164 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	^ That's quick work! You' re inB4 Trollheart. __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

05-31-2018, 10:46 PM	#165 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	One risk of ignoring opposition criticism or the voice of the common people is What if they turn out to've been right all along? That may be behind the tragic story of the disappearing Aral Sea, when Russia chose cotton over fish and ignored local feedback. Now "an area of water the size of Ireland" has been lost, and that's not the last of their problems... Planting a forest on the Aral's dried-out seabed - BBC News __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

06-11-2018, 09:44 PM	#169 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	Here's a new warning sign that all is not well with the environment:- https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-44418849 Bottom line: over the last twelve years, trees that have been healthy for thousands of years have begun dying or deteriorating. __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953