Islam in Europe

Neapolitan · 06-06-2017, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

The teachings of the religion aren't good to people that don't have any faith in them.

To paraphrase what you said. "The teachings of [islam] aren't good to people that don't follow [islam.]" That is the crux of the problem. The islamists are using the teachings of islam as an appeal to authority to justify what they do. They use them as motive and reasoning for attacking people that don't follow islam, even to attack people that hold different interpretations of islam aka heretics. The mentality of the jihadists and even that behind sectarian violence is a "might makes right mentality."

Rjinn · 06-06-2017, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Obviously some converts may not be radical, zealots or low IQ. We are just discussing reasons other than the religion itself that may increase the level of fanaticism or likelihood of being a terrorist.

I think the individuals' circumstances plays a huge part in that though... not just having a "low IQ" especially poverty and oppression, considering that fanaticism is in the mainstream around Islam. It's easier to access.

**Frownland** · 06-06-2017, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rjinn

Um... Muhammad Ali converted to Islam and was considerably a pretty ****ing smart man...

It's a trend, not a rule. You are right though, myriad influences come to a head to create a fundamentalist. People have been shouting that message into OH's face for about fifty pages now.

Stephen · 06-06-2017, 06:03 PM

Many of the people committing atrocities seem to have extensive histories of antisocial/ criminal behaviour. They are already disaffected and hateful and basically given an excuse to enact their revenge on a society that they never felt a part of.

OccultHawk · 06-06-2017, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

It's a trend, not a rule. You are right though, myriad influences come to a head to create a fundamentalist. People have been shouting that message into OH's face for about fifty pages now.

A fundamentalist what?

**Frownland** · 06-06-2017, 06:33 PM

A fundamentalist asshole.

Rjinn · 06-06-2017, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

It's a trend, not a rule. You are right though, myriad influences come to a head to create a fundamentalist. People have been shouting that message into OH's face for about fifty pages now.

I suppose my example was way too singular for the topic...

OccultHawk · 06-06-2017, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

A fundamentalist asshole.

Not gonna play, huh?

**Frownland** · 06-06-2017, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rjinn

I suppose my example was way too singular for the topic...

I guess going back to the post that sparked the convo, you're good.

The low IQ of the radical converts in question can reflect greater factors like you suggest, such as poverty (no access to education) or lack of infrastructure which could lead them to more drastic measures. I think that's why it's so common in war torn or 3rd world countries, and is likely the reason why terrorism has the highest death toll in the least stable Middle East and African countries.

The Batlord · 06-06-2017, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Many of the people committing atrocities seem to have extensive histories of antisocial/ criminal behaviour. They are already disaffected and hateful and basically given an excuse to enact their revenge on a society that they never felt a part of.

I think that's probably common to extra-legal revolutionaries in general. Who's gonna be the first one to pick up a gun cause they feel disaffected and dissatisfied with society? Probably the one who's gonna feel disaffected and dissatisfied in any society.

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