Trollheart

Tell that to my bookshelves and forty-five years of reading.
Also, what are you talking about??

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Neapolitan

The video, if you watched the video you would know there were sub-titles to read. You asked "What advances do you know of that can be attributed to Islamic countries?" The guy ponders the same sort of question, if you watched the video and read the sub-titles you would see how he answers that kind of question, see his view point of view.

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Anteater

You and riseagainstrocks are missing the big picture elph.

Muslims (the majority at least) cherrypick the Qu'ran in the same way nondenominational Christians do for the Bible. The hard truth, however, is that Mohammad is a far worse role model than Jesus is. At least if you look at both their lives, deeds, and the things they said and did. So while you have plenty of crazy people of all stripes in Christianity and Islam...its a lot easier to point out the inconsistencies in someone who can't follow Jesus's teachings as opposed to Mohammad, who is a more mixed role model.

Muslims needs to acknowledge this and push back against Wahabism collectively. Just like so many Christians outed Catholicism after decades of child abuse brushed under the rug. Otherwise things will play into the Trump narrative with ease.

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Frownland

So what happens after all the Muslims go "No! We stand with Manchester!"(as if they haven't already)? Will terrorism end?

You might be compartmentalizing a bit yourself.

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Chula Vista

You're confusing God's profit Muhammad (born 570 CE), and Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (born 1703), the founder of the Wahabism movement.

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on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Lucem Ferre

Lupe Fiasco is Muslim and he's one of the most peaceful rappers out there. To say Islam is the cause is ****ing stupid. People have always used religion to justify terrible things. Like, I don't know, saying that Jesus is a better roll model to justify bigotry towards Muslims.

I think living in desperation breeds more hate than religion. And I hate religion.

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Chula Vista

Amen.

The amount of broad brushing still going on in this thread is mind numbing. I don't know how anyone can take all of the fictional stories in the bible as the truth about what kind of man Jesus was.

The dogma of Jesus should not be confused with the actual history of Jesus, which is so spotty that it's impossible to paint a true portrait of the man.

People do realize that approx. 50 different people wrote the bible over a 1,500 year span? Right?

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Lucem Ferre

Maybe if people would just quit making **** up to help themselves deal with the absurdity of existence. Would a God really give your life meaning? What would be the point of God? None. God's existence would be just as absurd and meaningless as anything else. Sink into existential nihilism like the rest of us adults. Having purpose is too much of a burden anyways.

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Chula Vista

Faith has been around forever and a lot of people are born into it through multiple generations and it becomes a huge part of their lives. You just can't yank that away.

But things need to be put into perspective when it comes citing things like the Bible and Kuran as reality.

Moving to San Diego was a trip because Christianity is HUGE here as opposed to back east. It's pretty wild how many of my co-workers were flipped out 2 decades ago when they found out I was an atheist.

But we treated each other with mutual respect and could discuss things like how ridiculous the whole Noah's Ark story is. They embrace the faith as a major part of their lives but are able to separate the faith from the fable.

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

OccultHawk

Wherever they are there they are

I'm not going to relent on this obvious point: It's a particularly ****ty religion. Lupe Fiasco is part of the problem. We don't need people who model good behavior for other Muslims. The religion itself is intrinsically bad and anything that promotes it is the problem. My examples aren't anecdotal. England, The Philippines, America, Morocco... everywhere it exists. I actually think the obvious truth of this is starting to resonate with more and more people. **** this cancer of a religion.