Islam in Europe

riseagainstrocks · 06-04-2017, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

What would this even entail

Surely not a physical representation of one's religious beliefs forcibly displayed on one's clothing, a ethnic and religious enclave carved out of the most dilapidated parts of the city where all members of the group must live, and severe restrictions on immigration to the point where the targeted group is cut-off from the outside world.

Because that would make someone a Nazi, and they sure are adamant about not being called Nazis.

Terrorism sucks. Go after the individuals who perpetrated it. Go after the financiers and recruiters and smugglers and propagandists and safe-house keepers. But let's not open the aperture too wide.

~~imam mahdi~~ · 06-04-2017, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

Surely not a physical representation of one's religious beliefs forcibly displayed on one's clothing, a ethnic and religious enclave carved out of the most dilapidated parts of the city where all members of the group must live, and severe restrictions on immigration to the point where the targeted group is cut-off from the outside world.

Because that would make someone a Nazi, and they sure are adamant about not being called Nazis.

yea guys, what are you crazy? we don't want to start seeing pure muslim ghettos in europe. that would be terrible!

Trollheart · 06-04-2017, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

New friends/job keeps him out; how do you define "odd"; could be gay, could be asexual, could be he's not in the right headspace, could be he just got out of something; yes, I agree if you talk about blowing yourself up it's a red flag; religiosity comes in goes in most people; I read about salafism pretty often - does this mean I'm at risk?

I don't mean to shoot down your suggestions. They come from a good place. But lone-wolf, or two, three man teams of radicals leave next to no footprint. You'll also get all sorts of false-positives using the heuristics you've sketched (and others have built on).

I'm not sure how to course correct for those already inculcated into the fringe death cults that plague Islam, but I do know that we can make the problem worse by banning/condemning/scapegoating Islam. It's so strange that the leaders of these radical groups are begging the West to make Islam the enemy, to ban Muslims from parts of civic life, etc. and we're, if not actually doing it, certainly discussing it like a viable solution to the problem. We are literally recruiting for them.

I understand there can be many innocent reasons why some of those points alluded to me could be explained away, but there could be a roadmap that could lead to the intent to attack. Sure, what you say has merit, and I don't like my suggestions either, but it's the lack of ANYTHING being done - oh, I stand corrected: big concert in support of tolerance and to benefit the victims. Why didn't I think of that? It's so obvious! Well, that's that sorted then, innit?

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Originally Posted by imam mahdi

isn't a bad idea, and yet is also one step closer towards a totalitarian state. yea, cliche, i know. but trollheart had to go and bring the family and friends angle into it.

surely you've read 1984, th?

anyway, i'm not saying don't do it, but just pointing out the parallels.

Of course I have. But as I say, a man/boy might be ready to sacrifice himself, but is he going to be willing to condemn his whole family? Hey, it could just be an empty threat maybe. I don't know, for ****'s sake: I don't have all the answers. If I did, I'd be living in luxury in Iceland, apparently the safest country in the world. I'm just throwing out ideas. Radical, yes, but it's easy to point out the flaws in my answers (and there are many, without a doubt) without suggesting your own.

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

^ welcome back mate.

Who he?