Islam in Europe

OccultHawk · 04-09-2017, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Ja and that is not Islam's fault itself, but the environments that these people come from that encourage terrorism. It is baffling how many people cannot figure this out within twenty minutes of learning about what Islam is.

Watch that **** in action right here

I wonder why every Muslim environment is so ****ty? What do they all have in common?

rostasi · 04-09-2017, 08:30 PM

1. Non-Muslims make up the majority of terrorists in the United States: According to the FBI, 94% of terrorist attacks carried out in the United States from 1980 to 2005 have been by non-Muslims. This means that an American terrorist suspect is over nine times more likely to be a non-Muslim than a Muslim. According to this same report, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism in the United States than Islamic, yet when was the last time we heard about the threat of Jewish terrorism in the media? For the same exact reasons that we cannot blame the entire religion of Judaism or Christianity for the violent actions of those carrying out crimes under the names of these religions, we have absolutely no justifiable grounds to blame Muslims for terrorism.

2. Non-Muslims make up the majority of terrorists in Europe: There have been over one thousand terrorist attacks in Europe in the past five years. Take a guess at what percent of those terrorists were Muslim. Wrong, now guess again. It’s less than 2%.

3. Even if all terrorist attacks were carried out by Muslims, you still could not associate terrorism with Islam: There have been 140,000 terror attacks committed worldwide since 1970. Even if Muslims carried out all of these attacks (which is an absurd assumption given the fact mentioned in my first point), those terrorists would represent less than 0.00009 percent of all Muslims. To put things into perspective, this means that you are more likely to be struck by lightning in your lifetime than a Muslim is likely to commit a terrorist attack during that same timespan.

4. If all Muslims are terrorists, then all Muslims are peacemakers: The same statistical assumptions being used to falsely portray Muslims as violent people can be used more accurately to portray Muslims as peaceful people. If all Muslims are terrorists because a single digit percentage of terrorists happen to be Muslim, then all Muslims are peacemakers because 5 out of the past 12 Nobel Peace Prize winners (42 percent) have been Muslims.

5. If you are scared of Muslims then you should also be scared of household furniture and toddlers: A study carried out by the University of North Carolina showed that less than 0.0002% of Americans killed since 9/11 were killed by Muslims. (Ironically, this study was done in Chapel Hill: the same place where a Caucasian non-Muslim killed three innocent Muslims as the mainstream media brushed this terrorist attack off as a parking dispute). Based on these numbers, and those of the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the average American is more likely to be crushed to death by their couch or television than they are to be killed by a Muslim. As a matter of fact, Americans were more likely to be killed by a toddler in 2013 than they were by a so-called “Muslim terrorist”.

**Frownland** · 04-09-2017, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

What do they all have in common?

Your own low bar for ****tiness when confirmation bias is at play.

**Goofle** · 04-09-2017, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Ja and that is not Islam's fault itself, but the environments that these people come from that encourage terrorism. It is baffling how many people cannot figure this out within twenty minutes of learning about what Islam is.

Watch that **** in action right here

It's a despicable ideology responsible for most of the atrocities inflicted upon the current world.

Other religions may be equally illogical, but they don't represent an existential threat to modern civilisation.

rostasi · 04-09-2017, 08:36 PM

**Frownland** · 04-09-2017, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

It's a despicable ideology responsible for most of the atrocities inflicted upon the current world.

Other religions may be equally illogical, but they don't represent an existential threat to modern civilisation.

Islam is not responsible for that, as I just ****ing explained, but I wouldn't expect you to listen. Go ahead and make yourself dizzy going in these circles that is obviously feuled by the racist media you glob into. Have fun.

OccultHawk · 04-09-2017, 08:44 PM

Frowny

Take off your ****ing blinders man

**Frownland** · 04-09-2017, 08:45 PM

The price of steel brought the US into World War Two. Nothing else. That is the only factor.

Sounds idiotic when you put it in a different context huh.

Pet_Sounds · 04-09-2017, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rostasi

1. Non-Muslims make up the majority of terrorists in the United States: According to the FBI, 94% of terrorist attacks carried out in the United States from 1980 to 2005 have been by non-Muslims. This means that an American terrorist suspect is over nine times more likely to be a non-Muslim than a Muslim. According to this same report, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism in the United States than Islamic, yet when was the last time we heard about the threat of Jewish terrorism in the media? For the same exact reasons that we cannot blame the entire religion of Judaism or Christianity for the violent actions of those carrying out crimes under the names of these religions, we have absolutely no justifiable grounds to blame Muslims for terrorism.

Any figures for the past decade?

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Originally Posted by rostasi

2. Non-Muslims make up the majority of terrorists in Europe: There have been over one thousand terrorist attacks in Europe in the past five years. Take a guess at what percent of those terrorists were Muslim. Wrong, now guess again. It’s less than 2%.

3. Even if all terrorist attacks were carried out by Muslims, you still could not associate terrorism with Islam: There have been 140,000 terror attacks committed worldwide since 1970.

1. Source?
2. I don't think the last 47 years are in dispute. Most people in this thread are focusing on the last 15, at most.

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Originally Posted by rostasi

Even if Muslims carried out all of these attacks (which is an absurd assumption given the fact mentioned in my first point), those terrorists would represent less than 0.00009 percent of all Muslims. To put things into perspective, this means that you are more likely to be struck by lightning in your lifetime than a Muslim is likely to commit a terrorist attack during that same timespan.

4. If all Muslims are terrorists, then all Muslims are peacemakers: The same statistical assumptions being used to falsely portray Muslims as violent people can be used more accurately to portray Muslims as peaceful people. If all Muslims are terrorists because a single digit percentage of terrorists happen to be Muslim, then all Muslims are peacemakers because 5 out of the past 12 Nobel Peace Prize winners (42 percent) have been Muslims.

You can't make any sort of statistical "assumption" with a sample size of 12.

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Originally Posted by rostasi

5. If you are scared of Muslims then you should also be scared of household furniture and toddlers: A study carried out by the University of North Carolina showed that less than 0.0002% of Americans killed since 9/11 were killed by Muslims. (Ironically, this study was done in Chapel Hill: the same place where a Caucasian non-Muslim killed three innocent Muslims as the mainstream media brushed this terrorist attack off as a parking dispute). Based on these numbers, and those of the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the average American is more likely to be crushed to death by their couch or television than they are to be killed by a Muslim. As a matter of fact, Americans were more likely to be killed by a toddler in 2013 than they were by a so-called “Muslim terrorist”.

One could argue that those numbers are not surprising, given the increased security since 9/11. Why exactly was it left out of the study?

Not debating—just nitpicking.

Carry on.

riseagainstrocks · 04-09-2017, 09:33 PM

Poverty leads to hopelessness. Which leads to being easy prey for manipulation, which leads to be susceptible to an ideology, which leads otherwise normal human beings to commit atrocities. Islam is associated with acts of terror because the Middle East is rife with poverty. Just look anywhere in the world where options are spare and life is hard and you'll see easy comparisons.

Why are so many South and Central American youth involved in narco organizations? Surely so many young men don't grow up hating their community and wishing for a life of horrific violence? Of course not, but lack of opportunity makes them susceptible to the 'get rich' ideology and so scores of young men die for their patrones every month. Same thing with the communist agitators in Russia, working for their political leaders, same thing with the Shining Path, the Nazi party, the IRA, etc. etc. Islam is a flavor that's on the rise for many reasons. It's foreign, it's religious and not political - which is less common in the West since the Enlightenment, they speak a strange language, cook with strange spices, wear strange clothes, write with strange letters, etc.

The leaders of ISIS and al Qaeda et. al use religion, a powerful tool as we all know, to warp young men into shrapnel. They're headed by yet more petty tyrants in a long line of cruel men, bent on power in this life, by convincing others of the glory in the next one. You play into their hands by focusing on the message and on the not the people directing it.

I'd encourage some of you taking the opposite tack to check out books written by IC members that don't carry titles like Islam Will Kill Us All. The Master Plan by Brian Fishman is great. Salafi-Jihadism: The History of an Idea by Shiraz Maher is also a fascinating read. Islamic inspired terrorism is a much more complicated subject than a young man shouting Allahu Akbar.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	The price of steel brought the US into World War Two. Nothing else. That is the only factor. Sounds idiotic when you put it in a different context huh. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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riseagainstrocks Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: DC Posts: 3,320	Poverty leads to hopelessness. Which leads to being easy prey for manipulation, which leads to be susceptible to an ideology, which leads otherwise normal human beings to commit atrocities. Islam is associated with acts of terror because the Middle East is rife with poverty. Just look anywhere in the world where options are spare and life is hard and you'll see easy comparisons. Why are so many South and Central American youth involved in narco organizations? Surely so many young men don't grow up hating their community and wishing for a life of horrific violence? Of course not, but lack of opportunity makes them susceptible to the 'get rich' ideology and so scores of young men die for their patrones every month. Same thing with the communist agitators in Russia, working for their political leaders, same thing with the Shining Path, the Nazi party, the IRA, etc. etc. Islam is a flavor that's on the rise for many reasons. It's foreign, it's religious and not political - which is less common in the West since the Enlightenment, they speak a strange language, cook with strange spices, wear strange clothes, write with strange letters, etc. The leaders of ISIS and al Qaeda et. al use religion, a powerful tool as we all know, to warp young men into shrapnel. They're headed by yet more petty tyrants in a long line of cruel men, bent on power in this life, by convincing others of the glory in the next one. You play into their hands by focusing on the message and on the not the people directing it. I'd encourage some of you taking the opposite tack to check out books written by IC members that don't carry titles like Islam Will Kill Us All. The Master Plan by Brian Fishman is great. Salafi-Jihadism: The History of an Idea by Shiraz Maher is also a fascinating read. Islamic inspired terrorism is a much more complicated subject than a young man shouting Allahu Akbar. __________________ One note timeless, came out of nowhere... Last edited by riseagainstrocks; 04-09-2017 at 09:41 PM.

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rostasi . Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,007	1. Non-Muslims make up the majority of terrorists in the United States: According to the FBI, 94% of terrorist attacks carried out in the United States from 1980 to 2005 have been by non-Muslims. This means that an American terrorist suspect is over nine times more likely to be a non-Muslim than a Muslim. According to this same report, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism in the United States than Islamic, yet when was the last time we heard about the threat of Jewish terrorism in the media? For the same exact reasons that we cannot blame the entire religion of Judaism or Christianity for the violent actions of those carrying out crimes under the names of these religions, we have absolutely no justifiable grounds to blame Muslims for terrorism. 2. Non-Muslims make up the majority of terrorists in Europe: There have been over one thousand terrorist attacks in Europe in the past five years. Take a guess at what percent of those terrorists were Muslim. Wrong, now guess again. It’s less than 2%. 3. Even if all terrorist attacks were carried out by Muslims, you still could not associate terrorism with Islam: There have been 140,000 terror attacks committed worldwide since 1970. Even if Muslims carried out all of these attacks (which is an absurd assumption given the fact mentioned in my first point), those terrorists would represent less than 0.00009 percent of all Muslims. To put things into perspective, this means that you are more likely to be struck by lightning in your lifetime than a Muslim is likely to commit a terrorist attack during that same timespan. 4. If all Muslims are terrorists, then all Muslims are peacemakers: The same statistical assumptions being used to falsely portray Muslims as violent people can be used more accurately to portray Muslims as peaceful people. If all Muslims are terrorists because a single digit percentage of terrorists happen to be Muslim, then all Muslims are peacemakers because 5 out of the past 12 Nobel Peace Prize winners (42 percent) have been Muslims. 5. If you are scared of Muslims then you should also be scared of household furniture and toddlers: A study carried out by the University of North Carolina showed that less than 0.0002% of Americans killed since 9/11 were killed by Muslims. (Ironically, this study was done in Chapel Hill: the same place where a Caucasian non-Muslim killed three innocent Muslims as the mainstream media brushed this terrorist attack off as a parking dispute). Based on these numbers, and those of the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the average American is more likely to be crushed to death by their couch or television than they are to be killed by a Muslim. As a matter of fact, Americans were more likely to be killed by a toddler in 2013 than they were by a so-called “Muslim terrorist”.

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