Islam in Europe

~~Cuthbert~~ · 07-01-2017, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

No. You just know it when you see it. Assault rifle under the lab coat blasting at random or nearly at random. That's it. Raping and killing a nurse he used to work with not it. I may not have a crystal clear demarcation line but I refuse to say it's not terrorism when if he were wearing a turban and praised Allah it would be. The implication is non-Muslim educated westerners aren't terrorists when they do the exact same ****. Saying this was "not terror related" is Islamophobic code for it wasn't a Muslim. And that extends itself into a false and prejudiced belief that except for very rare exceptions Muslims have a monopoly on terrorism. I may be a bigot but I'm not that bigoted. That's ridiculous.

Nope.

OccultHawk · 07-01-2017, 10:56 AM

Yep.

The Batlord · 07-01-2017, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I'd be with you in some cases

like bombing an abortion clinic, shooting up Republicans at a baseball game etc.

but random acts of psycho violence are not necessarily terrorism by definition, well Im sure you'd find a dictionary exception, but used in most contexts it means something more specific

Like I said, I'd go farther and define terrorism as a form of violent, political movements. Al Qaeda, the IRA, whatever groups bomb abortion clinics (assuming they have any legitimate organization). Calling Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber terrorists is technically correct, but does it make any sense to equate those individuals with those groups? They're different animals. What purpose does it serve besides diluting the idea of what terrorist organizations do to soften the blow of calling Islamic terrorist movements terrorists?

OccultHawk · 07-01-2017, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Like I said, I'd go farther and define terrorism as a form of violent, political movements. Al Qaeda, the IRA, whatever groups bomb abortion clinics (assuming they have any legitimate organization). Calling Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber terrorists is technically correct, but does it make any sense to equate those individuals with those groups? They're different animals. What purpose does it serve besides diluting the idea of what terrorist organizations do to soften the blow of calling Islamic terrorist movements terrorists?

That's too far the other way.

The Batlord · 07-01-2017, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I think we should basically retire the world all together tbh because the way it's been manipulated and co-opted by politicians ie "War on Terror" which is utterly meaningless like saying "War on violence"

so it's obvious they want to equate terrorism specifically to groups as you say and even more specifically to Muslim groups and it just muddies the waters, doublethink all over the place

and in the more nefarious cases conservatives want to say "War on Islam" but they can't so instead it's "War on terrorism"

That's the thing with terrorism. It is indeed a concept used more by extremist Muslim groups. There are Christian groups that fit the bill, and I'm sure by other religions that don't have the same newsworthy status, but Muslim religious extremists don't really have a serious analogue besides the IRA that I know of. It's a term that's used to describe groups like Al Qaeda and Hamas because governments don't really have any polite way of saying that they're not using it specifically to describe Al Qaeda and Hamas.

OccultHawk · 07-01-2017, 02:35 PM

Actually reading several definitions makes me realize my own definition of terrorism is not in synch with the commonly accepted (and therefore for practical purposes "correct") definitions. I considered many acts of terrorism political but thought of the terror itself as the core component of terrorism. I have to admit that I had a misconception of what terrorism is.

For my world terrorism challenge I don't care, however.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 07-01-2017, 10:44 AM

What was the reason he did it?

Trollheart · 07-01-2017, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

What was the reason he did it?

Misread the hippocratic oath: didn't see the "no" ....

~~Cuthbert~~ · 07-01-2017, 10:53 AM

BBC saying he got sacked and said he'd come back and kill them all.

Not terrorism.

I have changed the scores back to 6-6 (disallowed goal).

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 07-01-2017, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

BBC saying he got sacked and said he'd come back and kill them all.

Not terrorism.

I have changed the scores back to 6-6 (disallowed goal).

you'll have to assume he'd be disappointed in himself at blowing such an easy opportunity on a grand stage like this.

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Actually reading several definitions makes me realize my own definition of terrorism is not in synch with the commonly accepted (and therefore for practical purposes "correct") definitions. I considered many acts of terrorism political but thought of the terror itself as the core component of terrorism. I have to admit that I had a misconception of what terrorism is. For my world terrorism challenge I don't care, however. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

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~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	BBC saying he got sacked and said he'd come back and kill them all. Not terrorism. I have changed the scores back to 6-6 (disallowed goal).