Islam in Europe

Lucem Ferre · 06-06-2017, 02:50 AM

Maybe if people would just quit making **** up to help themselves deal with the absurdity of existence. Would a God really give your life meaning? What would be the point of God? None. God's existence would be just as absurd and meaningless as anything else. Sink into existential nihilism like the rest of us adults. Having purpose is too much of a burden anyways.

Chula Vista · 06-06-2017, 03:11 AM

Faith has been around forever and a lot of people are born into it through multiple generations and it becomes a huge part of their lives. You just can't yank that away.

But things need to be put into perspective when it comes citing things like the Bible and Kuran as reality.

Moving to San Diego was a trip because Christianity is HUGE here as opposed to back east. It's pretty wild how many of my co-workers were flipped out 2 decades ago when they found out I was an atheist.

But we treated each other with mutual respect and could discuss things like how ridiculous the whole Noah's Ark story is. They embrace the faith as a major part of their lives but are able to separate the faith from the fable.

OccultHawk · 06-06-2017, 05:39 AM

Wherever they are there they are

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For the past two weeks the Philippines army has been fighting Islamist militants in the southern city of Marawi. So far, the conflict has killed at least 170 people, including 20 civilians, and more than 180,000 residents have fled. The BBC's South East Asia correspondent Jonathan Head reports from Marawi.
For more than a week the military spokesmen have been offering the same, upbeat outlook in the embattled city of Marawi. The Philippines armed forces controls nearly all of the city, they have been saying; the black-clad militants, who so surprised them by seizing Marawi in the name of so-called Islamic State on 23 May, have taken heavy casualties, and are encircled.
The military will, of course, eventually retake the city. Even fighters happy to die for Islam cannot withstand constant bombardment indefinitely.

I'm not going to relent on this obvious point: It's a particularly ****ty religion. Lupe Fiasco is part of the problem. We don't need people who model good behavior for other Muslims. The religion itself is intrinsically bad and anything that promotes it is the problem. My examples aren't anecdotal. England, The Philippines, America, Morocco... everywhere it exists. I actually think the obvious truth of this is starting to resonate with more and more people. **** this cancer of a religion.

OccultHawk · 06-06-2017, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Maybe if people would just quit making **** up to help themselves deal with the absurdity of existence. Would a God really give your life meaning? What would be the point of God? None. God's existence would be just as absurd and meaningless as anything else. Sink into existential nihilism like the rest of us adults. Having purpose is too much of a burden anyways.

Yes.

**Frownland** · 06-06-2017, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

You're confusing God's profit Muhammad (born 570 CE), and Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (born 1703), the founder of the Wahabism movement.

I think he's referring to the Muslims that view Mohammed as a perfect role model and try to imitate his life in every way. Dying their beards and **** like that. However, like virtually everything else in Islam, it's contested and debated by different sects of the religion.

Following the example of Prophet Muhammad in ones life - Islam web - English

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Moving to San Diego was a trip because Christianity is HUGE here as opposed to back east. It's pretty wild how many of my co-workers were flipped out 2 decades ago when they found out I was an atheist.

Interesting to see the difference that two decades can make. About 75% of my coworkers are atheist/non-religious.

OccultHawk · 06-06-2017, 09:23 AM

I thought you lived in the Bay Area.

**Frownland** · 06-06-2017, 09:45 AM

Nope. North County San Diego.

OccultHawk · 06-06-2017, 09:53 AM

I'm just going to go on believing you live in the Bay Area. It makes it easier for me to romanticize Jesus the Carpenter. Just play along. Thanks.

Anteater · 06-06-2017, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

lmao this is the hard truth now is it, sounds like the convenient truth for you

Or, you know, you could try coming up with a point of your own.

Anteater · 06-06-2017, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

You're confusing God's profit Muhammad (born 570 CE), and Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (born 1703), the founder of the Wahabism movement.

No. I was talking about the prophet Muhammad, not ibn Abd al-Wahhab. But if you asked Wahhab if he was a "legitimate" Muslim or not I'm sure he'd say he followed the prophet's teachings more closely than anyone.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Faith has been around forever and a lot of people are born into it through multiple generations and it becomes a huge part of their lives. You just can't yank that away.

But things need to be put into perspective when it comes citing things like the Bible and Kuran as reality.

Moving to San Diego was a trip because Christianity is HUGE here as opposed to back east. It's pretty wild how many of my co-workers were flipped out 2 decades ago when they found out I was an atheist.

But we treated each other with mutual respect and could discuss things like how ridiculous the whole Noah's Ark story is. They embrace the faith as a major part of their lives but are able to separate the faith from the fable.

Whether or not Jesus was a real person isn't really the point. It's all about depiction. Is Muhammad (the prophet) a better role model than Jesus as he's depicted and quoted? He's held way above Jesus in their hierarchy. Christianity and Islam have different gold standards despite all the things they have in common.

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Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Faith has been around forever and a lot of people are born into it through multiple generations and it becomes a huge part of their lives. You just can't yank that away. But things need to be put into perspective when it comes citing things like the Bible and Kuran as reality. Moving to San Diego was a trip because Christianity is HUGE here as opposed to back east. It's pretty wild how many of my co-workers were flipped out 2 decades ago when they found out I was an atheist. But we treated each other with mutual respect and could discuss things like how ridiculous the whole Noah's Ark story is. They embrace the faith as a major part of their lives but are able to separate the faith from the fable. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Nope. North County San Diego. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	I thought you lived in the Bay Area.

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	I'm just going to go on believing you live in the Bay Area. It makes it easier for me to romanticize Jesus the Carpenter. Just play along. Thanks.