Islam in Europe

Trollheart · 06-05-2017, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Jesus Christ

Pretty sure he wasn't muslim!

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For one Algebra upon which all these tech advances (that we use to exploit and murder) comes from Arabs

But more importantly it's not "Muslims"

It's specific theocratic nations, Indonesia has nothing in common with Saudi Arabia (which the US backs)

Said in the last 100 years. Do you really just see what you want to in posts? Case in point...

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Originally Posted by elphenor

It wasn't a direct response to his arbitrary 100 years

Why would you read it that way

Uh, because it was the question? I am fully aware that Iraq is the cradle of civilisation, and that Islam was more advanced than us originally, but I'm asking what have the Islamic or Muslim countries contributed to the advancement of society recently?

~~Cuthbert~~ · 06-05-2017, 03:05 PM

Biryani m8.

Anteater · 06-05-2017, 03:10 PM

Iraq isn't the cradle of civilization.

First Human Ancestor Came from Europe Not Africa, 7.2 Million-year-old Fossils Indicate

**Janszoon** · 06-05-2017, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Iraq isn't the cradle of civilization.

First Human Ancestor Came from Europe Not Africa, 7.2 Million-year-old Fossils Indicate

"May have…"

Also the article is about the origin of humans not the origin of civilization.

Anteater · 06-05-2017, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

"May have…"

Also the article is about the origin of humans not the origin of civilization.

Wherever humans were earliest is going to be considered the origin point of civilization. The idea of the Fertile Crescent and those civilizations being the bedrock only works if you can prove humans were establishing themselves there first and not in some other part of the world.

**Janszoon** · 06-05-2017, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Wherever humans were earliest is going to be considered the origin point of civilization. The idea of the Fertile Crescent and those civilizations being the bedrock only works if you can prove humans were establishing themselves there first and not in some other part of the world.

No, the word civilization is used to describe complex urban societies. That's why the cities of the Fertile Crescent are considered the cradle of civilization rather than the birthplace of humanity.

Rjinn · 06-05-2017, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Uh, because it was the question? I am fully aware that Iraq is the cradle of civilisation, and that Islam was more advanced than us originally, but I'm asking what have the Islamic or Muslim countries contributed to the advancement of society recently?

I find "advancement of society" a little vague. What advancements do you necessarily mean and what does that exactly prove?

OccultHawk · 06-05-2017, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

No, the word civilization is used to describe complex urban societies. That's why the cities of the Fertile Crescent are considered the cradle of civilization rather than the birthplace of humanity.

This historian https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Bulliet

figures there were other civilizations that predate the Fertile Crescent but we have yet to find evidence of their existence and may not

Just a side note

OccultHawk · 06-05-2017, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rjinn

I find "advancement of society" a little vague. What advancements do you necessarily mean and what does that exactly prove?

Let's ask the Unabomber.

**Janszoon** · 06-05-2017, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

This historian https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Bulliet

figures there were other civilizations that predate the Fertile Crescent but we have yet to find evidence of their existence and may not

Just a side note

Yeah, could be. Who knows?

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