OccultHawk

Maybe we should light candles and listen to the Beatles.

imam mahdi

mo muslims mo problems

imam mahdi

so then all we have on either side are ideas of what NOT to do. very interesting.

i'm starting to suspect that the islamists are actually going to win the war on terror at this rate

i consider converting but unfortunately i cannot grow a proper beard.

Cuthbert

What do you suggest we do?

imam mahdi

this might be kind of a crazy idea.. but how about reverse psychology? like act like we love it when they bomb us for no reason? so every time they have an attack, we have a parade celebrating the attack and thanking them for their service?

Exo

Hmmmm, piss off a whole bunch of people and achieve nothing because this is real life and not a horrible TV show trying to be clever? Nah, I think I'll pass.

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Rjinn

I like Queen Rania's ideas about stopping this war. I don't think it's anyone's job to defend their identity however if this was given a go it may work.

Queen Rania: Let's Drop The First 'I' In ISIS. There's Nothing Islamic About Them | HuffPost

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imam mahdi

lol

so recognizing that we are wrong will stop the islamists from hating us

are you so sure about that?

imam mahdi

everybody's a critic

imam mahdi

essentially you are saying its all our fault and the path forward to solving it is recognizing our guilt... so how do you pursue that in a way that is going to stop the people who are already driven to kill us?

i've said it once, i'll say it again

you have to look at guys like sayyid qutb to understand the modern manifestation of islamic terror. the motivations are both religious and political. there is no either or, that's a false dichotomy.

sayyid was a man who lived in egypt in the early to late 20th century and was a dissident of the secular regime. he sought to create a state in egypt that was ruled by islamic principles and sharia law. he was an inspiration for the likes of al zawahiri and osama bin laden. he laid the foundation on which ISIS is attempting to build an actual islamic caliphate.

do they hate western imperialism? yes, because it subverts their own imperialist ambitions. would they still hate the west without western imperialism? almost certainly yes, because they view us as godless, decadent, and slaves to our carnal nature.

that is the ideology we are talking about in a nutshell. trying to put the shutters on and only speak about western foreign policy is an ironically ethnocentric pov espoused by leftist cowards who feel such immense guilt for being the benefactors of the current global imperialism that they neurotically suppose that everything every other culture does is somehow a reaction to our own, landing us : western civilization - neatly in the center of the universe.