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Old 06-04-2017, 10:33 AM   #531 (permalink)
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Terrorism sucks. Go after the individuals who perpetrated it. Go after the financiers and recruiters and smugglers and propagandists and safe-house keepers. But let's not open the aperture too wide
Obviously, that's the only reasonable modus operandi but how's it working out?
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:37 AM   #532 (permalink)
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I think we all want a solution to terrorism, some of us just want to be sure that the solution isn't worse than the problem.

What are some of the ways that we can address and stop it? Aggressive penalties for those who are guilty is an obvious one (maybe we should start following that more).
Maybe we should strap bombs on their backs and blow them to pieces.
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:56 AM   #533 (permalink)
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Are suicide bombers about to be discouraged by execution?
You said execution, not me. Force feed them with blindfolds in a dark room until they're 80, then just drop them into the ocean. We should hit up an Islamic cleric to find out if there's a statue of limitations on the 70 virgins thing.
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Old 06-04-2017, 11:43 AM   #534 (permalink)
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Found guilty of radical Islamic terrorism? Your dick and balls are cut off. So much for incentive.

Seriously, these cowardly Islamic radicals enlist the dregs of the Islam society and convince them they are doing good with a glorious reward. How the **** do you combat that?
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Old 06-04-2017, 12:16 PM   #535 (permalink)
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Theresa May: Internet must be regulated to prevent terrorism
Great. Punish everybody.
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Old 06-04-2017, 12:24 PM   #536 (permalink)
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Great. Punish everybody.
They have been trying to get this Snoopers Charter in for a while.
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Old 06-04-2017, 02:02 PM   #537 (permalink)
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I wouldn't have made this suggestion before, but nothing's being done so, desperate times and all that?

Hate to think of innocents paying the price but I wonder, if someone perpetrates something of this nature, or is caught planning it, should their family, associates, friends - anyone who might have had some knowledge of the incident or been able to stop it, or worse, have aided in it - be arrested, or at least have their citizenship revoked and be deported? People can be quick to sign up to martyr themselves, but nine times out of ten ask a man to sacrifice his mother, sister, wife, brother, they may not be so keen.

I know, I know: it's harsh, it's unfair, it's disproportionate, but maybe the time for pussyfooting the **** around is gone? I mean, surely those close to these people have an idea, an inkling that something's going on? Jamal hasn't been home much, seeing those odd people, doesn't have a girlfriend, is moody and talking some pretty strong rhetoric, visiting the mosque when he used not to bother? Check his internet browser history?

Sure, snap at me and say it's too harsh, but compare it to those innocents killed, think of them as being someone you knew, and then see if you feel the same way.

Other than that, make bearing weapons legal and let everyone take out anyone who comes at them. Neither solutions are great, but what is actually going to be done? Anyone else any ideas?
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Old 06-04-2017, 02:10 PM   #538 (permalink)
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Weapons is a terrible idea. Guys have to use cars and knives because it's very difficult to get firearms, if it were easy to get them a lot more than 7 people would have been killed last night. You're assuming people will have the bottle to shoot at someone as well, I doubt I could. I'd be off. Most people would I think.

Has the mosque where the MEN bomber 'worshipped' been shut down yet?

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if someone perpetrates something of this nature, or is caught planning it, should their family, associates, friends - anyone who might have had some knowledge of the incident or been able to stop it, or worse, have aided in it - be arrested, or at least have their citizenship revoked and be deported?
This isn't a bad idea imo.
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Old 06-04-2017, 02:16 PM   #539 (permalink)
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Jamal hasn't been home much, seeing those odd people, doesn't have a girlfriend, is moody and talking some pretty strong rhetoric, visiting the mosque when he used not to bother? Check his internet browser history?
New friends/job keeps him out; how do you define "odd"; could be gay, could be asexual, could be he's not in the right headspace, could be he just got out of something; yes, I agree if you talk about blowing yourself up it's a red flag; religiosity comes in goes in most people; I read about salafism pretty often - does this mean I'm at risk?

I don't mean to shoot down your suggestions. They come from a good place. But lone-wolf, or two, three man teams of radicals leave next to no footprint. You'll also get all sorts of false-positives using the heuristics you've sketched (and others have built on).

I'm not sure how to course correct for those already inculcated into the fringe death cults that plague Islam, but I do know that we can make the problem worse by banning/condemning/scapegoating Islam. It's so strange that the leaders of these radical groups are begging the West to make Islam the enemy, to ban Muslims from parts of civic life, etc. and we're, if not actually doing it, certainly discussing it like a viable solution to the problem. We are literally recruiting for them.
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I wonder, if someone perpetrates something of this nature, or is caught planning it, should their family, associates, friends - anyone who might have had some knowledge of the incident or been able to stop it, or worse, have aided in it - be arrested, or at least have their citizenship revoked and be deported? People can be quick to sign up to martyr themselves, but nine times out of ten ask a man to sacrifice his mother, sister, wife, brother, they may not be so keen.
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