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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1839965)

Islam is a religion, Muslims are people. It is possible to think Islam is a c*nt of a religion without thinking every single Muslim or even most of them is a c*nt with extremist views in the same way people can think religion in general is retarded without judging every single religious person. As you were asked the other day who is actually doing this? A few of the posters on here who have posted criticisms of Islam on this thread are from places in England with significant to high Muslim populations, have probably gone to school and college with them, worked with them, went round their house and had tea with them and know full well they aren't all arseholes. You are pissing in the wind trying to make this point about 'not all Muslims'.

Is there a single poster on here who thinks every single Muslim is an extremist?

Let's try to get this back on a constructive path. How ideologically unified would you say the sects of Islam are?

Hamas Charter

Democratically elected. Commence with excuses.

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Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.

It's their words, man.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1840051)

Because they believe they're entitled to that land

Do you bother to learn anything about the history of this region

Well then explain the clause about shipping in Indonesians?

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1840051)

Because they believe they're entitled to that land

Do you bother to learn anything about the history of this region

Well I believe the Jews are entitled to that land. But I'm not advocating genocide against the Palestinians. That would be indefensible. What Hamas is saying is that Allah has already predestined the upcoming genocide against the Israelis.

And you're asking me if I know the history and background of this situation?

I mean, you're not even claiming that Hamas isn't a legitimate part the Muslim world. Instead you reduce a group of genocidal terrorists to simply people with a land dispute. While it may be you calling into question my knowledge the fact that you didn't immediately distance yourself from the ideology of Hamas at least suggests ignorance.

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I'm pointing out their goals are political, their claim is political, this is a political issue

They're religious fanatics! And their religion is Islam!

I'm out. You intellectuals hammer away. I'm going to go color for a while and then maybe play some pong.

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Originally Posted by man like monkey (Post 1839978)

you can have a negative opinion of the religion without having a negative opinion of it's followers.

From Winston Churchill in his 1899 book 'The River War.'

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How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.