Islam in Europe

OccultHawk · 04-21-2017, 09:22 AM

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If you're asking, 'should we import 100 million Muslims from say, Indonesian, and have them pick our government?', well no.

OK

So you've eliminated Indonesia. I agree. Good start.

Let's start with the A's...

Afghanistan? Algeria?

**Frownland** · 04-21-2017, 09:23 AM

I can get down with some Afghani drug lords.

OccultHawk · 04-21-2017, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I don't understand why this guy thinks that because we wouldn't want to live in the political culture of Pakistan this is some great slam dunk on Islam

You don't have one example.

riseagainstrocks · 04-21-2017, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

OK

So you've eliminated Indonesia. I agree. Good start.

Let's start with the A's...

Afghanistan? Algeria?

Yep, like talking to a brick wall. I've given you the heuristic. Your inability to apply it isn't my problem.

**Goofle** · 04-21-2017, 11:05 AM

Speaking for myself I don't come at this from the view that Islam is at fault on it's own, but it happens to play a part and the specific set of people who are causing these specific issues happen to be Muslims, and therefore follow Islam to some extent. And it doesn't matter if you think they are "doing Islam wrong".

Obviously we have to take into account other factors, but since the discussion is based around events in Europe I think it's a little more important to focus on the cultural and religious values these people may have - as opposed to Western imperialism - since they are actually in the West and fully able to take advantage of our available freedoms. The reason for any issue that may come about within the Islamic population in Europe probably has more to do with religion and culture than the impending threat of a drone strike.

**Frownland** · 04-21-2017, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

And it doesn't matter if you think they are "doing Islam wrong".

While I agree that a lot of people kneejerkedly spit out that something isn't Islam when it potentially depicts the religion negatively, I think it really does matter if it's justified. Look to the various Muslim communities' denouncement of ISIS for examples of this.

I don't think you'd be making the same argument if someone equated conservatives with white nationalists.

**Goofle** · 04-21-2017, 11:24 AM

I read that through and was gonna edit it but I think your comment works well enough.

I'm not sure how the denouncement of ISIS applies to this specific point though, since ISIS are clearly Muslims and follow the religion to some extent.

**Goofle** · 04-21-2017, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Most attacks end up being traced back to ties to the ME though no?

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Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 04-21-2017, 02:06 PM

if islam isn't violent then why do they have SLAM in the name of their religion?

huh?

yeah, thought so mate.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 04-21-2017, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

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Middle East.

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

if islam isn't violent then why do they have SLAM in the name of their religion?

huh?

yeah, thought so mate.

"Islam is short for 'I slam plane into building' & 'I slam truck into pedestrians'"

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