Islam in Europe

**Frownland** · 11-19-2020, 09:18 AM

The government being involved with religion is inherently anti-secular.

Turn on your second brain cell dude.

OccultHawk · 11-19-2020, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

The government being involved with religion is inherently anti-secular.

Turn on your second brain cell dude.

No. It’s aggressive secularism. It’s not first amendment ****. It’s NOT religious freedom.

**Frownland** · 11-19-2020, 09:29 AM

You're just confusing it with anti-theism. Secularism means that state and religious institutions are separate.

OccultHawk · 11-19-2020, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

You're just confusing it with anti-theism. Secularism means that state and religious institutions are separate.

Well, Macron is French, and this is how he defines la laïcité. Which means not letting religious **** nuts get a footing. Sorry you don’t like it.

**Frownland** · 11-19-2020, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Well, Macron is French, and this is how he defines la laïcité. Which means not letting religious **** nuts get a footing. Sorry you don’t like it.

Calling direct government dictation of what constitutes an appropriate religious leader secularism is blatantly false and misleading. Not sorry if you or the propagandist don't like it tbh.

p.s. when you frame this as a conflict of national identity, you're implicitly supporting islamic totalitarianism in other countries.

OccultHawk · 11-19-2020, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Calling direct government dictation of what constitutes an appropriate religious leader secularism is blatantly false and misleading. Not sorry if you or the propagandist don't like it tbh.

p.s. when you frame this as a conflict of national identity, you're implicitly supporting islamic totalitarianism in other countries.

That’s their prerogative.

**Frownland** · 11-19-2020, 10:05 AM

As is calling out their dishonesty mine.

The Batlord · 11-19-2020, 01:12 PM

Either OH's dad hit him one time too many or one time too few.

OccultHawk · 11-23-2020, 05:58 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...ldren.amp.html

France’s Dragnet for Extremists Sweeps Up Some Schoolchildren, Too

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Armed with assault rifles and wearing balaclavas, dozens of police officers raided four apartments recently in a sprawling complex in Albertville, a city in the French Alps. They confiscated computers and cellphones, searched under mattresses and inside drawers, and took photos of books and wall ornaments with Quranic verses.

Before the stunned families, the officers escorted away four suspects for “defending terrorism.”

“That’s impossible,” Aysegul Polat recalled telling an officer who left with her son. “This child is 10 years old.”

Her son — along with two other boys and one girl, all 10 years old — was accused of defending terrorism in a classroom discussion on the freedom of expression at a local public school. Officers held the children in custody for about 10 hours at police stations while interrogating their parents about the families’ religious practices and the recent republication of the caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad in the magazine Charlie Hebdo.

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One of the boys, Sohib Harid, wetted himself in his sleep after the raid and said he was now afraid to talk in school. “If I talk,” he said, “there will be the police.”

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In a middle school near Nice, a 14-year-old girl was arrested, held in custody for eight hours and subjected to a full-body search after questioning the tribute to the teacher and then, during a following debate, saying that “he had asked for it.” The girl, who is not affiliated with any religion, apologized, said her mother, who asked to be identified only by her first name, Magali.

The mother said she disapproved of her daughter’s comments, but described them as “a teenager’s blunder.” Her daughter is now seeing a psychiatrist and refuses to go back to school.

The teenage girl has been summoned to appear before a prosecutor in January on a charge of “defending acts of terrorism,” according to court files obtained by The Times. She is expected to be sentenced to a multiday class on citizenship.

Goddamn.

The Batlord · 11-23-2020, 06:01 AM

Are you actually smelling the fascism now or just masturbating?

11-19-2020, 09:18 AM	#1531 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	The government being involved with religion is inherently anti-secular. Turn on your second brain cell dude. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

11-19-2020, 09:29 AM	#1533 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	You're just confusing it with anti-theism. Secularism means that state and religious institutions are separate. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

11-19-2020, 10:05 AM	#1537 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	As is calling out their dishonesty mine. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x