Frownland

You language and perspectives read like what I've described. .

Scapegoating any kind of group is no bueno as far as I'm concerned.

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Chula Vista

According to who? Next you're going to tell me he looked like this:



Instead of this:

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Akai

I was (in the same comment) referring to what these religions teach

It seems a lot of you guys favour Islam over Christianity, if so, why?
Why not disprove and disregard all religions?

No religion should be a factor of critical thought

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riseagainstrocks

We're of a similar mind on this topic. I hadn't moved on the Phase II because so many people were still having trouble with Phase I,. separating Islam from terrorism as its necessary conclusion.

Phase II is addressing man's existential unease and susceptibility to paternalistic, hierarchical systems. The only fix I'm aware of is increased education, increased social stability, and increased opportunity. The irreligious make up a over a third of Europe and a quarter of the US - massive gains over the past half-century (wiki source, but internal citation is strong, I spot checked a dozen or so. We have the luxury of institutions that provide generational stability.

I could go on, as I clearly enjoy this topic, but I'll stop the mutual back-patting now

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Pet_Sounds

I've broken this exchange down to make it easier to follow.

This discussion is about Islam in Europe and whether it is a problem today. Not in the United States from 1980-2005. I presume the FBI didn't stop publishing statistics in 2005; why didn't you mention the numbers since then?

I asked for your source on some specific statistics. "All over the internet" is not a good citation.

As I understood it, this thread's focus was on the situation in Europe today. I fail to see how worldwide statistics from 1970 (those mentioned in point 3) are relevant.

Then what's the purpose of that paragraph?

There is no "big scary bugaboo." Given the increased security measures in America since 9/11, it's not surprising that very few people were killed by Islamic terrorists (and yes, I realize it says "Muslims," not "Islamic terrorists"). I'm not aware that such measures have been taken against lightning or toddlers. Additionally, I thought we were talking about Europe?

I'm not challenging rostasi's claims; in fact, I'm not even interested in debating. I just dislike what Lisna refers to as "slinging statistics," especially when they're cherry-picked. Actually, I thought his post was one of the best in this thread. Too bad he didn't write it or cite it.

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Akai

Indeed they are of their time so surely you agree there is no justification of someone who practices and believes every part (good and bad) of these religions right?

eg. you surely would agree that someone raping a 9 year old because it's considered justified by a book written thousands of years ago is wrong

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Chula Vista

How cool is it to see Pet Sounds grow up into a well reasoned and rational man right before our very eyes. Brings a lump to my throat.

Seriously, great debate points PS.

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Ol’ Qwerty Bastard

it's cause he's Canadian obv

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Paul Smeenus

Thank you.

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Akai

I personally think the history is more significant of understanding than the religion

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