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08-27-2017, 09:37 PM | #1142 (permalink) |
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Do suicide bombers get away with it?
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08-28-2017, 02:06 PM | #1146 (permalink) | |
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You're right in that the Economist graph combines all foreign-born workers, so I can't make an apples to apples comparison. I'll also happily grant that the on-the-ground realities are more visceral and real to you, in Sweden, than to me, in the US. With regard to what's fair, that's up to the individual. I would probably have a different emotional reaction to the issue if I noticed a sharp increase in my taxes or a decrease in the benefits, or access to the benefits, that my taxes pay for. But I think my logical reaction would stay the same: approach them as human beings first, allow time for adjustment, and take it from there. The easiest way (relatively speaking) to end this crisis is to end the conflict in Syria. I won't pretend to know how to do this, but having an ethnic minority dominate politics isn't a great way to start, especially in a society with thousands of years of 'tribe as politics'. Your exasperation is noted and I sympathize. We have to remind ourselves that the overwhelming majority of these people have nothing and fled from certain death. I'm simply stressing compassion, but I understand that it's easy to do so from across the pond.
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08-28-2017, 02:21 PM | #1147 (permalink) | |
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I still fail to understand the point advanced by some of the more anti-Islamic voices here. Ending the religion entirely? Ending it's practice in the West? Forced conversion? To what, Christianity? Atheism? Seriously, Neapolitan, OccultHawk, Man like Monkey - what's your "ask" here? Too often I see people of your view act like the Islamic world ISN'T aware of how destructive this is. More devout Muslims are killed by acts of terror than any other group (and depending on how you run the numbers, very likely the combined total of all other groups is still dwarfed by "friendly fire") (source 1, source 2, providing statistics on likelihood). Communism, Islam, Monarchism, Christianity, animal rights groups, etc etc. are all are capable of being warped into weapons. The constant need to scream "he's a Muslim" does not bring back the dead or punish the perpetrator. It puts a giant target on everyone else that shares a tangential connection by participating in a common religious system. It's like if I say, "hey, dogs shouldn't be used to test cosmetics" and you say, "I agree, but also we should kill all the scientists who test those cosmetics." We're broadly align on "dogs should not be treated cruelly" but how we get there is so opposed that we're barely on the same team. I'm running low on analogies on how asinine it is to point to static words on a page as the font of all evil, but I'll keep trying. Terrorists = bad. Islam = neutral. Muslims = people. So, we have a) evil, b) depends on how you use it, and c) as varied as everyone else. Yep, I'm going to focus on terrorists. If the WBC had 10,000-20,000 followers and operated in a mostly lawless country with no federal government, you can bet they'd engage in the same barbaric behavior as ISIS. They basically share the same position as the Ugandan government when it comes to homosexuality. Look how that works out when they're the law...
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08-28-2017, 02:29 PM | #1148 (permalink) |
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Sorry for the multi-post, but wanted to put this here too. JWB has apparently been trying to get me to "debate" so I set-up an email for that: rardiscussion @ gmail . com
I know he lurks these boards - sent an email last week. If anyone else wants to move to a more private forum, feel free to use that as well. I check as often as I do MB, so every couple days or so.
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